From: "Gary L. Scott" <scottg@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Programming language vote - results
Date: 1997/10/13
Date: 1997-10-13T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3442C942.8F041C98@flash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 344285e6.78444776@news.mindspring.com
Robert Munck wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:41:42 -0600, Jack Rudd <jack.rudd@lmco.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Gary L. Scott wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh the horror stories about Ada just about anyone in the defense
> >> industry could tell you...(inefficiency, bloat, development delays,
>
> >> budget overruns)...
> >...
> >Problems along the above lines helped get a very large defense
> >project cancelled that was near and dear to me. I may never
> >forgive the folks who pushed OO in Ada on that project.
>
> Ada turned out to be an excellent scapegoat for the many
> management failures that are found in software projects in
> general and large projects done by large contractors for the
> DoD in particular. It will be interesting to see what gets
> the blame now that "you don't have Ada to kick around anymore."
> I'll bet that it's Microsoft and/or Sun.
>
> Bob Munck
> Mill Creek Systems LC
I agree completely that there were many short-sighted decisions being
made by both management and our customers. However, I don't understand
the "don't have Ada..." comment. We are still using and still being
directed to use Ada by our customers on "new" projects.
Very few of us are against Ada or "OO" or the attempts to solve the
"language proliferation, maintenance/reusability" issues. I am against
not being allowed to make the decision as to which language best solves
the problem that I have to solve and being dictated to meet cost and
schedules based upon historical data that involved using a different
programming language, especially when I have little or no experience in
the new language. Let me decide where I can implement an "OO" design
and where I can't rather than making arbitrary/blanket requirements for
"pure OO" development. Let me develop the skills on a small project
first. Doesn't that make more sense?
--
Gary L. Scott
scottg@flash.net
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1997-10-11 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Gary L. Scott
1997-10-12 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott [this message]
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13 0:00 ` safetran
1997-10-13 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
[not found] ` <3442B745.5352@lmco.com>
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-16 0:00 ` James Giles
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Andrew Haley
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` David Ness
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Jan Karman
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-15 0:00 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-15 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Mark Stephen
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-16 0:00 ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-17 0:00 ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Kaz
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-23 0:00 ` Ada Readability (Re: Programming language vote - results) Ray Blaak
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-22 0:00 ` Don Guinn
[not found] ` <01bce1bf$5c2baaa0$95b66bcf@dkelly.ark.com>
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Don Guinn
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Documenting Code (was:Programming language vote - results) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Charles Lin
1997-10-30 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results FRS DES
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-26 0:00 ` functionality of Java (was Re: Programming language vote - results) Randy MacDonald
1997-10-23 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Jack Rudd
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Kaz
1997-10-26 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-27 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-27 0:00 ` APL argument W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Jan Karman
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-28 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
[not found] ` <bosworth-2910972044300001@access59.accsyst.com>
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-30 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-12-02 0:00 ` ANDREAS LEITNER
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-12-03 0:00 ` Billy Chambless
1997-12-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-05 0:00 ` John Sullivan
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1998-09-10 0:00 ` Steven Katz
1997-11-18 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Matt
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
[not found] ` <3474C71B.536B12F6@cgocable.net>
1997-11-21 0:00 ` CVigue
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Andy Knight
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Coding for Obscurity Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Al Christians
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Alex Krol
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Jim Johnson
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Leon Jones
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
1997-12-01 0:00 ` ISONE
1997-12-01 0:00 ` ISONE
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Matt
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Terry Richards
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Andy Knight
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Alex Krol
1997-11-25 0:00 ` William Tanksley
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27 0:00 ` William Tanksley
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
[not found] ` <65keij$mkd$1@nerd.apk.net>
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-28 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-12-01 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
[not found] ` <01bcdad2$fa9fdf60$25a43a91@basil.omroep.nl>
1997-10-17 0:00 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-10-19 0:00 ` William Rapp
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