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From: Roy Grimm <ragrimm@collins.rockwell.com>
Subject: Re: An interesting quote on Java and C++
Date: 1997/09/11
Date: 1997-09-11T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3417ECEF.41C6@collins.rockwell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3416C84A.5BD0@gsfc.nasa.gov


Stephen Leake wrote:
> 
> Range constraints provide significant security benefits, at least in
> systems without separate address spaces. If you can write "past" the
> end of an array, you can write to arbitrary memory, including system
> memory.  I believe there are several Windows/DOS viruses that use this
> trick, but I'm not really sure.

A particularly famous example of missing range checking causing a major
security hole was that virus that took down hundreds of computers on the
internet several years ago.

The guy who built the virus used three known security holes to get his
virus around.  The one I can remember the best had to do with sending
specially formatted "finger" request packets.  The finger daemon on Unix
systems has a buffer to hold the incoming finger request data.  On some
particular flavor of Unix, if one decided to send a specially formatted
finger request packet (around 530 bytes if memory serves), they would
overrun the end of the buffer.

Now, overrunning the end of a buffer in many programs is not too
critical, if you consider a crash not too critical.  However, on
particular versions of unix, the finger daemon put executable code right
after that buffer.  When you overrun the end of that buffer, you
overwrite its code.  When the program gets to that code that you have
overwritten, it will do whatever you put there.  Since the finger daemon
runs with the system administrator's user ID on those systems, the code
you put in has global access to everything.  That's a major security
hole in anyone's book.

I believe the person who wrote the virus put in code which transferred
the main virus program from another site and then ran it, respawning the
finger daemon in the process so people wouldn't notice as easily.

Had there been range checking of the incoming request data along the
line, the hole would not be there.  

> - Stephe

-- 
Roy A. Grimm
Rockwell Collins Avionics, Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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  reply	other threads:[~1997-09-11  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-09-03  0:00 An interesting quote on Java and C++ Nasser
1997-09-03  0:00 ` Samuel Mize
     [not found] ` <01bcb881$915526a0$d7000064@sim01.amst.co.at>
1997-09-03  0:00   ` Robert Munck
1997-09-05  0:00     ` Joachim Schroeer
1997-09-06  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-24  0:00     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-09-08  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-09  0:00     ` Robert Munck
1997-09-10  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-10  0:00         ` Stephen Leake
1997-09-11  0:00           ` Roy Grimm [this message]
1997-09-12  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-10  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1997-09-11  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-12  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-18  0:00               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-09-19  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-20  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-10-03  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-09-20  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-22  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-12  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-12  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
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1997-09-25  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-09-25  0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-09-26  0:00   ` Tucker Taft
1997-10-07  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-11-19  0:00     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-08  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-10-09  0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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