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From: Joachim Durchholz <joachim.durchholz@munich.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake)
Date: 1997/08/30
Date: 1997-08-30T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <340874C4.8B38A104@munich.netsurf.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.872872744@merv


Robert Dewar wrote:
> 
> Ell said
> 
> <<No it isn't.  You can win with an inferior product due to other
> factors.
> The overwhelming evidence of which some refuse to accept.>>
> 
> No you can't win with an inferior product, winning or success with
> products
> is how superiority is measured.
> 
> The trouble is that technical people tend to think that wizz-bang
> technical
> features are what is important.

Still there are cases where an inferior product wins.
1) When what the consumer perceives as superior is actually inferior,
but the consumer doesn't notice before buying it. (Instability and
configuration hassles of Windows 3.x vs. Macintosh)
2) When what the consumer perceives as inferior never hits the market
because the market entry costs are too high, so the superior product can
never prove its quality. (MS-DOS vs. Eumel)
3) When a product is superior for a large partial market but inferior
for many niches, but the niche markets are too small to support a
separate development effort.
4) Customers don't know about better alternatives because the
alternatives are restriced to niches. (Windows NT vs. QNX)

Classical market theories don't work too well in practice, and they work
even less than that for software, for two reasons:
1) Compared to other products, software production costs have an unusual
structure:
Market entry (creating the software to be sold) is exceedingly high.
Production cost (copying the software for distribution) is near zero.
Distribution and marketing costs seem to be about normal.
The usual market theories assume products where the production cost is
relevant (to the least).
2) Software products are highly interdependent (or can easily be made
so). A market leader can improve his position by making his software
incompatible with products from other vendors, locking the customers
into his software zoo. (IBM did and does this, Microsoft started this no
long ago.)

> I saw an interview with one of the guys from the MIT Media lab a few
> years
> ago, saying that he thought that HDTV was completely mis-directed. His
> question: "Ask someone on the street what is wrong with TV, they will
> not
> say 'lack of definition'". I always remember this, because I thought
> it
> was an excellent lesson in not focussing on technical excellence.

Hmm... HDTV is what we'll get here in Europe. I remember there was some
conflict between European and US industries about which standard to use.
Don't tell me it has anything to do with the customers' desires - it's
more a question which company with what invention has its main sales
areas where.

Regards,
Joachim
-- 
Please don't send unsolicited ads.






  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-08-30  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-08-29  0:00 The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Ell
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00   ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz [this message]
1997-08-30  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-30  0:00     ` Jay Martin
1997-09-01  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-02  0:00       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-09-03  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1997-09-05  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-13  0:00         ` Mark S. Hathaway
1997-09-16  0:00           ` Des  Kenny
1997-10-28  0:00           ` John English
1997-09-16  0:00         ` Des  Kenny
1997-09-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00     ` Darren New
1997-09-02  0:00   ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05  0:00       ` happens too often to call it historic W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15  0:00   ` The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16  0:00     ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-18  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
1997-09-16  0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Robert B. Love 
1997-09-17  0:00 Ell
1997-09-15  0:00 Ell
1997-09-16  0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-17  0:00 ` Doc
     [not found] <97090916235363@psavax.pwfl.com>
1997-09-11  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-04  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-30  0:00 BruceMount
1997-08-29  0:00 Ell
     [not found] <5tvvsj$lh2$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-08-27  0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27  0:00   ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27  0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28  0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00     ` James P. White
1997-08-29  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29  0:00     ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29  0:00     ` Dennis Weldy
     [not found]     ` <5u6ovi$5kb$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-09-01  0:00       ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-25  0:00 Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-26  0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-26  0:00 ` BruceMount
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Brett J. Stonier
     [not found]     ` <JSA.97Aug28182029@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]       ` <3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com>
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02  0:00             ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15  0:00       ` Tim Ottinger
     [not found]   ` <5u0nil$atg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28  0:00     ` not
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]       ` <5u3o1n$hu5@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28  0:00         ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-15  0:00       ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16  0:00         ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27  0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-27  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]   ` <34047A7D.62319AC4@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27  0:00     ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-27  0:00       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-08-28  0:00         ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-28  0:00       ` Mike Coffin
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00           ` James P. White
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-28  0:00       ` James P. White
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Dennis Weldy
1997-09-03  0:00         ` Charles Ditzel
     [not found]   ` <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil>
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28  0:00       ` James P. White
1997-08-30  0:00         ` Bert Bril
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Mike Charlton
     [not found]         ` <N.19970829.uput@sisyphus.demon.co.uk>
1997-09-02  0:00           ` Mike Charlton
1997-09-03  0:00             ` Dave Sparks
     [not found]       ` <EFn8CI.D9p@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-31  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-01  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Arthur Nelson
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-01  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Laurent Guerby
     [not found]           ` <EFonoz.AFC@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Lee Webber
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Lee Webber
1997-08-28  0:00     ` James P. White
     [not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26153546@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]   ` <34034658.7DE14518@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found] ` <3402FD4D.C196785B@brightwood.com>
1997-08-27  0:00   ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28  0:00   ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00       ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28  0:00     ` Brett J. Stonier
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