From: "James P. White" <jim@pagesmiths.com>
Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake)
Date: 1997/08/28
Date: 1997-08-28T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3405F547.9B50CB98@pagesmiths.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.872791474@merv
Robert Dewar wrote:
>
> James P. White <jim@pagesmiths.com> wrote in article
> <3404670B.C3A2C4A2@pagesmiths.com>...
> > Even though Java lacks anything as comprehensive as DBC, in our
> > experience the simple matter of having automatic memory management and
> > pointer protection has yielded a productivity boost of several hundred
> > percent.
>
> If automatic memory management really cut down your development time by
> a factor of several, I hate to think of what on earth you were doing to
> waste that much time previously. Sure memory management problems can be
> persnickety, but if they are taking up 80% of your time, something is
> VERY wrong with the way you are writing programs.
Yes, there is something VERY wrong with the way most programmers (not me
of course) write programs.
When combining modules from multiple sources it inevitably turns out
that multiple, not very compatible, memory management schemes are used
(sometimes, but not often, more than one scheme in the same module). It
is also inevitable (lacking the resources of NASA) that the modules have
had insufficient inspection and stress testing and are rife with memory
management bugs and memory munging that are not caught. The integration
phase (which is where the vast majority of the savings comes) when using
C and C++ with commercial and developmental libraries and modules has
been a black hole for resources in large systems which has swallowed
many (extremely well funded) projects whole.
Being able to proceed through integration needing little more than
functional testing is a huge boon to large system development and is
reason enough (although there are others) to use Java for commercial
applications.
Your derisive comment does make me wonder how many systems of 500K lines
or more you have designed and built (I am on my fourth one and have had
many happy clients).
jim
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1997-08-25 0:00 The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-26 0:00 ` BruceMount
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug28182029@alexandria.organon.com>
[not found] ` <3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
[not found] ` <5u0nil$atg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
[not found] ` <5u3o1n$hu5@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` not
1997-08-26 0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26153546@alexandria.organon.com>
[not found] ` <34034658.7DE14518@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-27 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <34047A7D.62319AC4@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Charles Ditzel
[not found] ` <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White [this message]
[not found] ` <EFnKuI.4rI@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Memory management techniques -- was Re: The great Java showcase Jon S Anthony
1997-08-30 0:00 ` The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Bert Bril
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jay Martin
[not found] ` <EFn8CI.D9p@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
[not found] ` <EFonoz.AFC@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Arthur Nelson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Mike Charlton
[not found] ` <N.19970829.uput@sisyphus.demon.co.uk>
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Mike Charlton
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Dave Sparks
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
[not found] ` <3402FD4D.C196785B@brightwood.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
[not found] <5tvvsj$lh2$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
[not found] ` <5u6ovi$5kb$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-08-29 0:00 Ell
1997-08-29 0:00 Ell
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Mark S. Hathaway
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Des Kenny
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John English
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Des Kenny
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-02 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 BruceMount
1997-09-04 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
[not found] <97090916235363@psavax.pwfl.com>
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 Ell
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Doc
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
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