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From: Ken Garlington <kennieg@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!)
Date: 1997/08/23
Date: 1997-08-23T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <33FFA5CC.4E85@flash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5til7i$boi$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu


Robert S. White wrote:
> 
> The Ariane 4 IRS software as-is reuse should not have made it
> by such reviews.  Please read Ken's rebuttal paper:
> 
>   http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~geldridg/eiffel/ariane/
> 
>   My reading of it does not indicate a general "critising DBC"
> but rather it summerizes:
> 
>   "In the specific case of the Ariane IRS design fault, there
>   is not clear and compelling evidence that DBC/Eiffel
>   assertions were likely to have uncovered the fault prior to
>   operational use, either through their documentation, test,
>   or execution value. Furthermore, alternative means were
>   available to the Ariane team to isolate the particular
>   fault, even without the use of DBC/Eiffel. Therefore,
>   although there may be a compelling claim to use DBC/Eiffel
>   in real-time safety-critical systems, the Ariane case
>   (and the Eiffel paper describing this case) does not
>   support such a claim."

In addition, it states in section 6:

"It would not be appropriate to use the criticisms here to say
in the general case that assertions have no value, anywhere
("casuistry"), but this criticism does not attempt to do this.
It focuses on the specific claim in the Eiffel paper in the
context of the Ariane IRS fault.... 

"Several Eiffel advocates will attest that they like the use of
Eiffel for their domain. Eiffel may be very useful in some domains,
however Ariane is a real-time embedded safety-critical system and
has unique properties (as described above). Again, this is a specific,
not a general, criticism of DBC/Eiffel."

Perhaps my paper is so boring that no one made it to this
section :)




  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-08-23  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-08-21  0:00 Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) aek
     [not found] ` <33FC66AD.9A0799D4@calfp.co.uk>
1997-08-22  0:00   ` Robert S. White
1997-08-22  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-22  0:00       ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-23  0:00     ` Ken Garlington [this message]
     [not found]   ` <33FFA4B1.3543@flash.net>
1997-08-26  0:00     ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]       ` <3403940F.4154@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-27  0:00         ` Design By Contract Ted Velkoff
     [not found]           ` <5u3c6v$gtf$2@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>
     [not found]             ` <34058808.3BF@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
1997-08-28  0:00               ` Darren New
1997-08-28  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-06  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <JSA.97Aug27180328@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-08-28  0:00             ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-03  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-09-03  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-04  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
     [not found]         ` <349224633wnr@eiffel.demon.co.uk>
1997-08-27  0:00           ` Design by Contract Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00           ` Don Harrison
     [not found]         ` <EFM140.Fy9@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-08-28  0:00           ` Design By Contract Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-08-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]                 ` <EFqE8L.4Eq@ecf.toronto.edu>
     [not found]                   ` <JSA.97Aug30145058@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-09-01  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-02  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-02  0:00                   ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-02  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-03  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
     [not found]                     ` <JSA.97Sep3201329@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]                       ` <EFzLn7.481@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-09-04  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-04  0:00                       ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-05  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]                         ` <5un58u$9ih$1@gonzo.sun3.iaf.nl>
1997-09-06  0:00                           ` Building blocks (Was: Design By Contract) Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-08  0:00                           ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-08  0:00                             ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-09  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09  0:00                                 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10  0:00                                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-12  0:00                                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09  0:00                                 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-10  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12  0:00                                   ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-14  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-14  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15  0:00                                       ` John G. Volan
1997-09-14  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12  0:00                                   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-12  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16  0:00                                       ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-10  0:00                                 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-10  0:00                                   ` Darren New
1997-09-10  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09  0:00                               ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-09  0:00                               ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-09  0:00                                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09  0:00                               ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-08  0:00                         ` Design By Contract Nick Leaton
1997-09-08  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09  0:00                           ` Paul Johnson
     [not found]                       ` <EFz0pD.E6n@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-09-05  0:00                         ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05  0:00                         ` subjectivity W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05  0:00                           ` subjectivity Matthew Heaney
1997-09-10  0:00                             ` subjectivity Don Harrison
1997-09-12  0:00                               ` subjectivity Jon S Anthony
1997-09-16  0:00                                 ` subjectivity Don Harrison
1997-09-16  0:00                                   ` subjectivity Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10  0:00                           ` subjectivity Don Harrison
1997-09-10  0:00                             ` subjectivity W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10  0:00                             ` subjectivity W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-11  0:00                               ` subjectivity Don Harrison
     [not found]                         ` <JSA.97Sep4172912@alexandria.organon.com>
     [not found]                           ` <EG0oz8.F6M@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-09-05  0:00                             ` Design By Contract Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-08  0:00                                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09  0:00                                   ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-10  0:00                                     ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-06  0:00                               ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]                             ` <EG0rp7.GtL@syd.csa.com.au>
1997-09-05  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-09  0:00                             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]                 ` <EFqDw0.3x7@ecf.toronto.edu>
     [not found]                   ` <JSA.97Aug30145354@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-09-01  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29  0:00             ` Don Harrison
     [not found]       ` <3406BEF7.2FC3@flash.net>
     [not found]         ` <3406E0F7.6FF7ED99@calfp.co.uk>
1997-09-02  0:00           ` Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) Ken Garlington
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1997-08-22  0:00 Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally) AdaWorks
1997-08-22  0:00 Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-03  0:00 Ken Garlington
     [not found] ` <dewar.870870888@merv>
     [not found]   ` <33E8FC54.41C67EA6@eiffel.com>
1997-08-07  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-07  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]         ` <33EB4935.167EB0E7@eiffel.com>
1997-08-08  0:00           ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-08  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-08  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-11  0:00               ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-12  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-13  0:00                   ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-13  0:00                     ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-17  0:00                       ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-19  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-20  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                             ` <33FB3B29.41C67EA6@eiffel.com>
1997-08-20  0:00                               ` Bertrand Meyer
     [not found]                                 ` <5tv9cs$85q@nntpa.cb.lucent.com>
     [not found]                                   ` <340341CA.2F1CF0FB@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29  0:00                                     ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-20  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21  0:00                             ` Thomas Beale
1997-08-21  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                 ` <33FD8685.AAAE3B4F@stratasys.com>
1997-08-22  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                     ` <3401811D.1700E7BE@stratasys.com>
1997-08-25  0:00                                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29  0:00                                       ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-29  0:00                                         ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-02  0:00                                           ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]                                   ` <33FE8732.4FBB@invest.amp.com.au>
1997-08-26  0:00                                     ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                                     ` <33FFA324.4DB9@flash.net>
     [not found]                                       ` <34013F3E.27D4@invest.amp.com.au>
1997-08-29  0:00                                         ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-23  0:00                                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-21  0:00                       ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-22  0:00                         ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-22  0:00                           ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-13  0:00                   ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-13  0:00                     ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]                     ` <33F22AD8.41C67EA6@eiffel.com>
1997-08-13  0:00                       ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-13  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
     [not found]                           ` <33F28DBF.794BDF32@eiffel.com>
1997-08-13  0:00                             ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-15  0:00                               ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-15  0:00                                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-16  0:00                                   ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-14  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-14  0:00                         ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-15  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-14  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-08-14  0:00                         ` geldridg
1997-08-14  0:00                       ` Robert S. White
1997-08-15  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-14  0:00                       ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-15  0:00                         ` Thomas Beale
1997-08-15  0:00                           ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-15  0:00                             ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-15  0:00                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-16  0:00                               ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-11  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1997-08-09  0:00             ` Marinos J. Yannikos
1997-08-07  0:00     ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
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