From: Ken Garlington <kennieg@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!)
Date: 1997/08/23
Date: 1997-08-23T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <33FFA21C.5F09@flash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.872177977@merv
Robert Dewar wrote:
>
> DBC in the sense in which Bertrand means it is a possible tool. It is
> neither necessary nor sufficient, but it is one more useful tool (I cannot
> imagine anyone contesting this point). However, use of DBC does not ensure
> reliability, and failure to use it does not guarantee unreliability!
I think we can go further. With respect to the available techniques
(Musa
et. al.) to _quantify_ software reliability, none of the models to my
knowledge require DBC. You can argue that DBC would _improve_ the
quantified values (or argue that none of the models are useful), but
there is no evidence that DBC is _required_ to have a given level
of reliability, as measured by these models. Furthermore, of the
widely-used certification techniques that attempt to _qualitatively_
establish reliablilty, either of the product directly (882C, 178B,
etc.), the only one I can think of that even potentially could be
read as "requiring" DBC is 00-55/00-56, and I know of at least
one system qualified under that standard that did not use executable
assertions. Thus, I would assume that Mr. Meyer's relucance to
cite a specific case where DBC was required to satisfy a customer
as to the reliability of a system is... because he doesn't know of
a system that requires it!
Note that reliability (like safety) is not an absolute measure.
Systems are not "reliable" or "safe," they are merely more or
less reliable/safe than other alternatives. This is a big point
of "Safeware," which I would recommend highly to anyone participating
in a discussion of safety or reliability.
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1997-08-03 0:00 Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) Ken Garlington
[not found] ` <dewar.870870888@merv>
[not found] ` <33E8FC54.41C67EA6@eiffel.com>
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
[not found] ` <33EB4935.167EB0E7@eiffel.com>
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-08 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-11 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
[not found] ` <33F22AD8.41C67EA6@eiffel.com>
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
[not found] ` <33F28DBF.794BDF32@eiffel.com>
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Thomas Beale
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-08-14 0:00 ` geldridg
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-17 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Thomas Beale
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <33FD8685.AAAE3B4F@stratasys.com>
1997-08-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <3401811D.1700E7BE@stratasys.com>
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-08-26 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
[not found] ` <33FFA324.4DB9@flash.net>
[not found] ` <34013F3E.27D4@invest.amp.com.au>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington [this message]
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-08-20 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
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[not found] ` <340341CA.2F1CF0FB@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-21 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-22 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-22 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-11 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Marinos J. Yannikos
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
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1997-08-21 0:00 aek
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1997-08-22 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-08-22 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-22 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-08-26 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
[not found] ` <3406BEF7.2FC3@flash.net>
[not found] ` <3406E0F7.6FF7ED99@calfp.co.uk>
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-22 0:00 Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally) AdaWorks
1997-08-22 0:00 Critique of Ariane 5 paper (finally!) Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
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