From: Ken Garlington <kennieg@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel
Date: 1997/07/17
Date: 1997-07-17T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <33CEB334.44C5@flash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5qkla1$4el$1@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com
Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> In article <33CD6207.6007@flash.net>, kennieg@flash.net says...
> >
> >Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> >> 1: Eiffel assertions are only executed at certain times, not at every
> >> invocation of a routine (see E:TL or OOSC2 for the gory details).
> >
> >OK, so Eiffel's different. What's the significant advantage of this
> >approach.
>
> However if you call a routine from within a class, there is nothing to
> say that the assertions have to be maintained. In fact it would be
> very restrictive to say that they must be.
OTOH, wouldn't I want the option to see if intra-class dependencies
cause
assertions to be violated? (Actually, in my case, I generally do want
this...)
Certainly, if I wanted to have my Ada exceptions raised only from an
external caller, it would not be particularly difficult to structure my
package to do this. So, other than maybe writing a little less code,
what's
the significant advantage of this approach? Is it safer to not enforce
assertions for intra-class dependencies?
I still don't see the big advantage from a safety-critical
perspective...
> >> 2: You can't inherit assertions. Any such system would require lots
> >> of duplicated assertions.
> >
> >Why would I have to duplicate assertions?
>
> Because of the Liskov Substitutability Principle.
To expand: Why do I have to duplicate assertions _in Ada_?
> >> 3: Invariants are still very tricky to support. You need to call the
> >> invariant checks at the same time as the pre and post conditions. See
> >> above for details of when this occurs.
>
> >Again, I'm not trying to duplicate Eiffel. How much do I lose if Ada
> >invariants are different?
>
> See above.
Ditto.
> >> 4: You had better be pretty sure that the compiler is not going to
> >> optimise your checks into oblivion during debugging, and conversely
> >> you need a way to turn them off for production code.
> >
> >Actually, I don't mind the checks being "optimized into oblivion" if the
> >compiler can deduce that they are unnecessary,
>
> In many compilers, if you say "assert: require = (a > b)" then the compiler
> will observe that the value of "require" is not used thereafter, and
> remove the statement.
Since this isn't Ada, I couldn't comment.
>
> >and I certainly don't
> >want
> >to exercise one kind of code during development and another during test.
>
> The whole point of Eiffel assertions is that in a correct program they
> have no effect on execution. Therefore you get exactly the same results
> whether they are enabled or not.
This would require (a) no changes in timing and (b) zero probability
that
the compiler generates incorrect code with a certain combination of
compiler switches and code. I am skeptical.
> Apart from assertion exceptions, the only way that the execution of an
> assertion can make a difference is if you call a function with side effects.
> Eiffel functions are specifically banned from having side effects.
See above.
> Of course, you *can* leave them enabled, but it slows down your code.
It does something else. It requires you to decide what to do if the
assertion is violated during execution.
> >If Eiffel compilers do no optimizations of assertions, and there are a
> >lot of complex assertions in Eiffel code, what does this say for the
> >efficiency of the code?
>
> The point of assertions is to detect errors during debugging. Some people
> leave preconditions on in production code as well, if there are no speed
> problems as a result.
What do they do if the assertion is violated?
>
> >> [Difficulty of getting "short-flat" forms]
>
> >Why would you want to _extract_ such information? The contract is in the
> >Ada specification in all of my code, at the level of detail I want
> >public.
>
> No its not.
You haven't read my Ada specs!
> The point of software contracting is that the public assertions
> are just that: public. They are shown in the class interface (the short-flat
> form).
Exactly. The Ada specification is just that: the public part. In fact,
it's
included in our software user's manual for OS-type software for that
reason.
It defines what the user needs to know, and nothing else. (Actually, we
do have to do one thing: we suppress printing of the private part, much
like
Eiffel uses documentation tools to extract the class specification.)
> Eiffel takes a different attitude to Ada here, and I can see the case
> for the Ada approach. Instead of writing interface and implementation in
> separate files, Eiffel provides tools to extract the interface information
> from the implementation. The public assertions are part of the interface,
> because they specify the class behaviour to its clients.
>
> The Ada approach has the advantage that you can easily lock the interface
> while allowing changes to the implementation. In Eiffel this could be
> achieved by recording the short-flat form of a class (the interface) and
> checking that the new short-flat form still matches after any change is made.
> Its just a bit more hassle to organise.
Right, although I don't the organization as a signficant issue. I would
be
more worried about making an inadvertant change, and failing to do the
check
afterwards.
Of course, I suspect you could acheive the same effect in Eiffel by
having the code
in multiple files, and using a CM system to merge the files as needed.
>
> Part of the important thing about the short-flat form is that it includes
> *all* the interface information about a class, including any features inherited
> from ancestors. This is important, particularly in the presence of multiple
> inheritance. It means that programmers don't have to search through listings
> to reconstruct it manually.
> If you wanted to design a dialect of Ada with software contracting built
> in properly then you would have to bring the public assertions into the
> interface file. And you would still need the equivalent of "flat" to bring
> all the ancestor features into your class.
You can do this in Ada, too, with the proper documentation tools. It's
just
a bit more of a hassle to organize :)
>
> Paul.
>
> --
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1997-09-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
[not found] ` <x7vzppy250u.fsf@pogner.demon.co.uk>
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
[not found] ` <mheaney-ya023680000209972131260001@news.ni.net>
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-04 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Mark A Biggar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-09-10 0:00 ` news_check.py
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
1997-09-08 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Walter Mallory
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Precondition Checking For Ada 0X (Was: Separation of IF and Imp: process issue?) Matthew Heaney
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Roger Browne
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Franck Arnaud
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Owen Fellows
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-20 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-25 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-26 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-09-29 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Separation of IF and Imp: process issue? Nick Leaton
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <dewar.873826268@merv>
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-10 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-12 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
[not found] ` <5u4941$9m1@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com>
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Michael Gacsaly
[not found] ` <34026DE7.7D07@pseserv3.fw.hac.com>
[not found] ` <3402C404.56812AFB@XYZZYcalfp.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` A DBC experience (was Re: Design by Contract) Simon Wright
[not found] ` <5tvfdt$79g@inet-server.sit.fi>
[not found] ` <34050D8B.569F@deakin.edu.au>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Peter Horan
[not found] ` <bengtk-2708972209500001@sl35.modempool.kth.se>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Design by Contract Nick Leaton
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Steve Stringfellow
1997-08-26 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26151833@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Ken Garlington
1997-08-23 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Stuart Palin
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Ian Rae
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-07-21 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Joe Buck
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Paul M Gover
1997-07-26 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-28 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-08-09 0:00 ` Marinos J. Yannikos
1997-08-10 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-08-11 0:00 ` Peter Hamer
1997-08-11 0:00 ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Warwick Pulley
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Richie Bielak
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ron Kohl
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-31 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-07 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-14 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
[not found] ` <JSA.97Jul17174044@alexandria.organon.com>
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-19 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Use use type? (Was Re: Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel) Brian Rogoff
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Morgan Palaeo Associates
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <199707251337.PAA20933@basement.replay.com>
1997-07-26 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-08-01 0:00 ` J-P. Rosen
1997-08-01 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-08-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-16 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-18 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <slrn5rq1gc.che.abo@minkirri. <slrn5s1132.hf1.abo@minkirri.apana.org.au>
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Is ADA as good for graphics programming as C? (WAS: Re: Avoiding the second historic mistake) Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Dale Pontius
[not found] ` <33B16CBB.417A@gdesys <slrn5rn570.j6j.abo@minkirri.apana.org.au>
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
[not found] ` <33B16CBB <slrn5rq1gc.che.abo@minkirri.apana.org.au>
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-07-17 0:00 Safety-critical development in Ada and Eiffel Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1997-07-18 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-18 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Karel Th�nissen
1997-07-18 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-18 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-21 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-21 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-24 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-08-24 0:00 Robert Dewar
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