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From: Steve O'Neill <"x0955$"@sanders.lockheed.com>
Subject: Re: ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/18
Date: 1997-06-18T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <33A7ED2E.E86@sanders.lockheed.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 33A6D407.53416C1E@link.com

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Samuel Mize wrote:
> Besides, you can't load the variable with one type and then read it
> as another type.  In C it's simple and safe, while in Ada it requires
> Unchecked_Conversion, which everyone knows is dangerous.

It's simple in C but not necessarily safe.  

and Mr. Whiting said
>>>>USE AT, Unchecked_Conversion, Unchecked_Access, and
>>>>Unchecked_Deallocation; one might ask why Ada needs such dangerous
>>>>elements within the language unless they are required so that the
>>>>language can perform certain tasks (which require them).

I am constantly flabbergasted by the argument that Unchecked_Conversion
and its close cousins are dangerous while uncontrolled and un-obvious
use of typecasting and address manipulation in C are acceptable.  Let's
face it folks, when you're playing around at this level it's all
inherently dangerous.  But there are times when this level of control is
necessary.  The point that I like about Ada is that it makes you
recognize that you are in dangerous territory while C hands you the rope
with which to hang yourself.  In my endeavours I try to layer
applications such that the application has some insulation from the
metal.  Ada lets me do this quite well, thank you.

>>>>... Once elements such as these are used (and
>>>>they must in many low-level systems programs), the touted
>>>> type-safe, robust Ada system is no longer� but now in the same
>>>>field as many other languages.

Maybe so, but at least I can more easily identify those areas of
"thin-ice".
 
-- 
Steve O'Neill                    Sr. Software Engineer
Sanders                          Nashua, New Hampshire
(603) 885-9765 (voice)           (603) 885-2483 (fax)




  reply	other threads:[~1997-06-18  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-05-28  0:00 ada and robots John Bohn
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-30  0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02  0:00       ` John G. Volan
     [not found]         ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28  0:00                     ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03  0:00                       ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03  0:00                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]               ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07  0:00                   ` RC
1997-06-09  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12  0:00                   ` George Haddad
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                           ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Steve O'Neill [this message]
1997-06-19  0:00                         ` Anonymous
1997-06-19  0:00                       ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` jim granville
1997-06-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00                           ` Re(dux): Ada for small machines (was Re: ada and robots) Ken Garlington
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                         ` ada and robots Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-04  0:00         ` RC
1997-06-04  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04  0:00       ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05  0:00         ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06  0:00           ` dana
1997-06-07  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10  0:00               ` dana
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1997-06-10  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13  0:00           ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-12  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-06-21  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-19  0:00 Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00   ` John G. Volan
1997-06-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00 Ada " Huy Vo
1997-06-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-24  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-26  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` nma123
     [not found] <867541382.23405@dejanews.com>
1997-06-29  0:00 ` John Howard
1997-06-30  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-01  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-11  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Mattias Sj�sv�rd
1997-07-01  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-02  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-04  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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