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From: Ken Garlington <Kennie.E.Garlington@lmco.com>
Subject: Re: ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/16
Date: 1997-06-16T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <33A56EBE.748C@lmco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: gwinn-0506971900070001@smc19.ed.ray.com


Joe Gwinn wrote:
> 
> > > I would also comment that DoD's recent recinding of the Ada Mandate will
> > > likely cause the Ada compiler and tools market to shrink to perhaps as
> > > little as one tenth of its prior size, and that significant added
> > > investment in Ada compilers and tools is therefore unlikely, at least
> > > until the size of the remaining market becomes clear.
> >
> > The Hon. Sec. Paige has said that -- in contrast to rescinding the policy
> > -- it will follow the board's recommendation to fund the $15 million for
> > infrastructure.
> 
> So he's flip-flopped?  I saw his previous missive, a week or two ago, and
> it was quite clear.

These words?

.......................................................................

From: "Paige, Emmett Jr., , OSD/C3I +" <paigee@osd.pentagon.mil>
To: LTC Drew Hamilton <dj7560@eecs1.eecs.usma.edu>
Subject: Re: FW: Reason for Mr. Paige's Decision Unclear
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:10:00 -0500

THANK GOD , THIS IS AMERICA.

THE BUCK STOPS HERE .  I HAVE TRIED EVERY ROUTE ONE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE
TO HAVE FOLKS RUN WITH ADA SINCE 1979 WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED. THE
MANDATES HAVE NOT WORKED FOR WEAPON SYSTEMS,C3I SYSTEMS OR OUR BUSINESS
SYSTEMS.  IT HAS ONLY WORKED WHERE I PERSONALLY DECIDED TO FORCE THE
ACTION SUCH AS WITH STANFINS-REDESIGN AND SIDPERS III AS FAR AS MAJOR
SYSTEMS I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH ARE CONCERNED.

I AM VERY SATISFIED AND COMFORTABLE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE MANDATE.
WE WILL CONTUNIE TO SUPPORT THE ADA EFFORT TO THE TUNE THAT THE NRC
RECOMMENDED OF APPROX $15MIL PER YEAR. THAT SHOULD BE EVIDENT THAT OUR
INTEREST STILL EXISTS IN ADA.

.......................................................................

> Actually, he cannot call his words back at this
> point; the writing is on the wall.  If you were the product manager for an
> ada compiler, wouldn't this stop you in your tracks, afraid to invest more
> money, until the smoke cleared?  The very fact that the future of the
> mandate is questioned in public and at that level of the DoD is the
> story.

This, of course, implies that DoD contractors choose Ada because it is
mandated. In fact, as Mr. Paige notes above, the mandate may in fact
have
worked _against_ adoption in some areas.

I am currently working on a DoD contract with no language requirement;
we still use Ada. I think if we and other DoD contractors stop using
Ada,
then Ada vendors should be concerned, but so long as there is a viable
customer base, I expect there will be an Ada vendor base to support it.

> If not today, what of tomorrow?  The mandate's days are numbered.
> Will it last long enough for a new investment to be recovered?  A
> gut-wrenching question.  Product mamgers get to bet their careers on such
> questions.

Product managers who cannot survive the removal of Government mandates
have
more problems than choosing languages, now that we are in the age of
acquisition reform. Their "gut-wrenching question" is to decide whether
they should be working at McDonalds or Burger King :)

> 
> Joe Gwinn

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-06-16  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-05-28  0:00 ada and robots John Bohn
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-30  0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02  0:00       ` John G. Volan
     [not found]         ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington [this message]
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28  0:00                     ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03  0:00                       ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03  0:00                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]               ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07  0:00                   ` RC
1997-06-09  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12  0:00                   ` George Haddad
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` jim granville
1997-06-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00                           ` Re(dux): Ada for small machines (was Re: ada and robots) Ken Garlington
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                         ` ada and robots Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                           ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Steve O'Neill
1997-06-19  0:00                         ` Anonymous
1997-06-19  0:00                       ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-04  0:00         ` RC
1997-06-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-04  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04  0:00       ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05  0:00         ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06  0:00           ` dana
1997-06-07  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10  0:00               ` dana
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1997-06-10  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13  0:00           ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-12  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-21  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-19  0:00 Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00   ` John G. Volan
1997-06-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00 Ada " Huy Vo
1997-06-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-24  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-26  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27  0:00 ` nma123
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found] <867541382.23405@dejanews.com>
1997-06-29  0:00 ` John Howard
1997-06-30  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-01  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-11  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Mattias Sj�sv�rd
1997-07-01  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-02  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-04  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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