From: Ken Garlington <Kennie.E.Garlington@lmco.com>
Subject: Re: ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/16
Date: 1997-06-16T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <33A56EBE.748C@lmco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: gwinn-0506971900070001@smc19.ed.ray.com
Joe Gwinn wrote:
>
> > > I would also comment that DoD's recent recinding of the Ada Mandate will
> > > likely cause the Ada compiler and tools market to shrink to perhaps as
> > > little as one tenth of its prior size, and that significant added
> > > investment in Ada compilers and tools is therefore unlikely, at least
> > > until the size of the remaining market becomes clear.
> >
> > The Hon. Sec. Paige has said that -- in contrast to rescinding the policy
> > -- it will follow the board's recommendation to fund the $15 million for
> > infrastructure.
>
> So he's flip-flopped? I saw his previous missive, a week or two ago, and
> it was quite clear.
These words?
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From: "Paige, Emmett Jr., , OSD/C3I +" <paigee@osd.pentagon.mil>
To: LTC Drew Hamilton <dj7560@eecs1.eecs.usma.edu>
Subject: Re: FW: Reason for Mr. Paige's Decision Unclear
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:10:00 -0500
THANK GOD , THIS IS AMERICA.
THE BUCK STOPS HERE . I HAVE TRIED EVERY ROUTE ONE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE
TO HAVE FOLKS RUN WITH ADA SINCE 1979 WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED. THE
MANDATES HAVE NOT WORKED FOR WEAPON SYSTEMS,C3I SYSTEMS OR OUR BUSINESS
SYSTEMS. IT HAS ONLY WORKED WHERE I PERSONALLY DECIDED TO FORCE THE
ACTION SUCH AS WITH STANFINS-REDESIGN AND SIDPERS III AS FAR AS MAJOR
SYSTEMS I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH ARE CONCERNED.
I AM VERY SATISFIED AND COMFORTABLE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE MANDATE.
WE WILL CONTUNIE TO SUPPORT THE ADA EFFORT TO THE TUNE THAT THE NRC
RECOMMENDED OF APPROX $15MIL PER YEAR. THAT SHOULD BE EVIDENT THAT OUR
INTEREST STILL EXISTS IN ADA.
.......................................................................
> Actually, he cannot call his words back at this
> point; the writing is on the wall. If you were the product manager for an
> ada compiler, wouldn't this stop you in your tracks, afraid to invest more
> money, until the smoke cleared? The very fact that the future of the
> mandate is questioned in public and at that level of the DoD is the
> story.
This, of course, implies that DoD contractors choose Ada because it is
mandated. In fact, as Mr. Paige notes above, the mandate may in fact
have
worked _against_ adoption in some areas.
I am currently working on a DoD contract with no language requirement;
we still use Ada. I think if we and other DoD contractors stop using
Ada,
then Ada vendors should be concerned, but so long as there is a viable
customer base, I expect there will be an Ada vendor base to support it.
> If not today, what of tomorrow? The mandate's days are numbered.
> Will it last long enough for a new investment to be recovered? A
> gut-wrenching question. Product mamgers get to bet their careers on such
> questions.
Product managers who cannot survive the removal of Government mandates
have
more problems than choosing languages, now that we are in the age of
acquisition reform. Their "gut-wrenching question" is to decide whether
they should be working at McDonalds or Burger King :)
>
> Joe Gwinn
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1997-05-28 0:00 ada and robots John Bohn
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-30 0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02 0:00 ` John G. Volan
[not found] ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington [this message]
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
[not found] ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07 0:00 ` RC
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12 0:00 ` George Haddad
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20 0:00 ` jim granville
1997-06-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24 0:00 ` Re(dux): Ada for small machines (was Re: ada and robots) Ken Garlington
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` ada and robots Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Steve O'Neill
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Anonymous
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-04 0:00 ` RC
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-04 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06 0:00 ` dana
1997-06-07 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10 0:00 ` dana
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1997-06-09 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13 0:00 ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-12 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-16 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Will Rose
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-21 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-16 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-19 0:00 Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20 0:00 Ada " Huy Vo
1997-06-23 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-24 0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-06-26 0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27 0:00 ` nma123
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
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