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From: Jerry Petrey <gdp@mlb.cca.rockwell.com>
Subject: Re: ada and robots
Date: 1997/06/09
Date: 1997-06-09T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <339C1ECF.431B@mlb.cca.rockwell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 97060510114032@psavax.pwfl.com


Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93 wrote:
> 
> Joe Gwinn <gwinn@RES.RAY.COM> writes:
> >In practice, C was much more successful than Ada83 at riding metal.
> >Experience with Ada83 shows that it is very bad at direct control of
> >hardware, especially I/O hardware, and simply does not handle shared
> >memory correctly.  Ada95 is claimed to be better, but I don't have any
> >direct experience with it.  Actually, not many people do just yet.  I
> >suspect that most people are using C (perhaps called from Ada) for direct
> >control of I/O hardware and the like.
> >
>     Maybe with some of the early generation compilers, but we've been
>     "riding the metal" for years here in Ada and never had any trouble
>     getting direct control over the hardware. Oh sure, once in a while
>     you've got to dip into assembler to get at some real hardware
>     specific feature, but that's true of *any* language and at least
>     Ada specifies a way you can get at machine instructions without
>     leaving the compiler.
> 


I agree.  As I discussed in an "Embedded Systems Programming" article in
Sept 95, I did all the low level hardware checkout and built-in test
software for a gas turbine engine controller in Ada83 using the Rational
VADScross compiler and found it to be quite easy at getting to "the
metal".
I did a lot of bit banging from Ada and used some machine code
insertions
to interface with some ROM based diagnostic routines on the CPU board
to avoid having to re-invent them.  Ada turned out to be an excellent
choice for that project.

I am currently working on a home project of controlling a mobile robot
(with an embedded PC) using Ada.  I only wish Ada was available for some
of the smaller micros like the 68HC11 - for those I now prefer Forth.

-- 
=====================================================================
== Jerry Petrey                                                    ==
== Consultant Software Engineer - Member Team Ada and Team Forth   ==
==            Rockwell Collins Commercial Avionics Group           ==
==            Melbourne, FL   email: gdp@mlb.cca.rockwell.com      ==
=====================================================================




  reply	other threads:[~1997-06-09  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-06-05  0:00 ada and robots Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 ` Jerry Petrey [this message]
1997-06-10  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-06-10  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Alan Brain
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Spam Hater
1997-06-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11  0:00         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-13  0:00           ` Erik Magnuson
1997-06-17  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-07-02  0:00 Ada " Huy Vo
1997-07-04  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-07-01  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-07-01  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-11  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-07-02  0:00 ` Mattias Sj�sv�rd
     [not found] <867541382.23405@dejanews.com>
1997-06-29  0:00 ` John Howard
1997-06-26  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00   ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-27  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27  0:00 ` nma123
1997-06-24  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-25  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-06-26  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-01  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-20  0:00 Huy Vo
1997-06-23  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ada " Jon S Anthony
1997-06-19  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00   ` John G. Volan
1997-06-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-06-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-24  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-17  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-18  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-06-20  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23  0:00     ` Geert Bosch
1997-07-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Will Rose
1997-06-25  0:00   ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-21  0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-16  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-12  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-09  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-06-05  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1997-05-28  0:00 John Bohn
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-05-29  0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-05-30  0:00 ` John Cook
1997-05-30  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1997-06-01  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-06-02  0:00       ` John G. Volan
     [not found]         ` <5mv984$7kn@news.emi.com>
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-16  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-28  0:00                     ` Mike Stark
1997-07-03  0:00                       ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-04  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-07-03  0:00                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]               ` <9706052229.AA29554@jaguar.nmc.ed.ray.com>
1997-06-06  0:00                 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-07  0:00                   ` RC
1997-06-09  0:00                   ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-05  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-05  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-14  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1997-06-11  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12  0:00                   ` George Haddad
1997-06-16  0:00                   ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` jim granville
1997-06-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-07-03  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-07-13  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Steve O'Neill
1997-06-19  0:00                         ` Anonymous
1997-06-19  0:00                       ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-20  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17  0:00                       ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-22  0:00                           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-18  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-18  0:00                           ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-06-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1997-07-17  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-20  0:00                       ` Adam Beneschan
1997-06-03  0:00           ` Martin A. Stembel
1997-06-04  0:00         ` RC
1997-06-04  0:00           ` John G. Volan
1997-06-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04  0:00       ` Jan Galkowski
1997-06-05  0:00         ` Albert K. Lee
1997-06-06  0:00           ` dana
1997-06-07  0:00             ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10  0:00               ` dana
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