From: "W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)" <wwgrol@pseserv6.fw.hac.com>
Subject: Re: Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?)
Date: 1997/05/24
Date: 1997-05-24T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3386640E.7588@pseserv6.fw.hac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5m4idq$oc4@bcrkh13.bnr.ca
Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> There are those who feel that their software development development position
> doesn't carry the enough prestige, so they prefer to be called software
> engineers. ..... It's a facetious title.
It's true that some "software engineers" are falsely so-called,
either by themselves or others.
And many "real" software engineers sometimes engage in "mere
programming" Those facts don't deny either activity "prestige".
(Nor is "prestige" worth anything in the grand scheme of things.)
> Real engineers _build_ a product, they don't _write_ it.
Now you're drifting a little wide. A lot of Civil Engineers,
Mechanical Engineers, Electrical Engineers, etc. specify and
design _things_ that are actually built by "skilled trades".
Explain how that is qualitatively different from specifying
and designing _behaviour_ that is performed by computers.
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Wes Groleau, Hughes Defense Communications, Fort Wayne, IN USA
Not A Real Engineer (Kaz said so) Tool-smith Wanna-be
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1997-05-15 0:00 Any research putting c above ada? Jon S Anthony
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-15 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <01bc6189$b074f500$LocalHost@xhv46.dial.pipex.com>
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-18 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-19 0:00 ` NOT about "c above ada" W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-19 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? Michael Norrish
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Michael Norrish
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers Nick Roberts
1997-05-22 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-26 0:00 ` David Ray
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Mark Allen Framness
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Mark Allen Framness
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-24 0:00 ` jason hummel
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Dann Corbit
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-26 0:00 ` tstcroix
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-31 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-27 0:00 ` system
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Rich Miller
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Bryce Bardin
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-03 0:00 ` John Winters
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Martin C. Carlisle
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Joe Charlier
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-04 0:00 ` John Winters
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Volker Hetzer
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-08 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` SE, Dreamers, and on and on and on W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers Jason Shankel
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Crocodiles [was: Re: Software Engineering and Dreamers] Anonymous
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Anonymous
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Off topic: Crocodiles Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-11 0:00 ` Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Software Engineering and Dreamers Nick Roberts
[not found] ` <19970606.49CA70..12B91@ae124.du.pipex.com>
1997-06-07 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-06-09 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-06-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-08 0:00 ` Mathew Hendry
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Ed Prochak - Woodland Consultants
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1997-06-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
[not found] ` <01bc7042$609289e0$cb61e426@DCorbit.solutionsiq.com>
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Off topic response to an off topic message--> was:Re: " H. Blakely Williford
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-03 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Ceri Stagg
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-06-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-10 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-06-04 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-06-04 0:00 ` �Stephen!
1997-06-05 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Volker Hetzer
[not found] ` <01bc7a5b$9ccdd900$21320f9b@mindlin>
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1997-06-18 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Mukesh Prasad
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Philip Hindman
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-06-18 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Steve Howard
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Anonymous
1997-06-20 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-21 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-06-23 0:00 ` root
1997-06-22 0:00 ` Alicia Carla Longstreet
1997-06-19 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-06-24 0:00 ` David Thornley
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-06-06 0:00 ` Joe Charlier
1997-06-04 0:00 ` S. Norby
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Vibrating Bum-Faced Goats
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Bill Anderson
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Jeff Carter
1997-05-23 0:00 ` William M.Gordon
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-23 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-23 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-25 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax Laurent Gasser
1997-05-26 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Dean Runzel
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-30 0:00 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-30 0:00 ` Lord Shaman
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Dan Evens
1997-05-27 0:00 ` Scott Stanchfield
1997-05-28 0:00 ` Alan Bowler
1997-05-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-24 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) [this message]
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax... (was Re: Any research putting c above ada?) Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-24 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Software Engineering is not a hoax Keith Shillington
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-06-17 0:00 ` brucemo
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Richard Turner
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Spam Hater
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Richard Turner
1997-06-12 0:00 ` Ralph Silverman
[not found] ` <33859489.7FB8@spam.inno <5nplh1$276@nntp.seflin.org>
1997-06-13 0:00 ` Paul Mesken
1997-06-13 0:00 ` Michael Tippach
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Les Hazlewood
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Newsthread integrity Nick Roberts
1997-05-20 0:00 ` Any research putting c above ada? Jason A Cunningham
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-05-21 0:00 ` Jason A Cunningham
1997-05-16 0:00 ` T Wheeley
1997-05-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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