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From: "John G. Volan" <johnvolan@sprintmail.com>
Subject: STL in Ada95 [was: Any research putting c above ada?]
Date: 1997/05/21
Date: 1997-05-21T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <33838C37.29C0@sprintmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.SGI.3.95.970521105321.25386A-100000@shellx.best.com


Brian Rogoff wrote:
> 
> Same here. It is even possible to program at the same "low-level" as the
> C++ STL by using Interfaces.C. 

Nah...why bother?  I'd rather provide a Size_Type and whatnot as generic
formal parameters, rather than kludge in a lot of
implementation-dependent details.

> OTOH, I agree with Kevin Cline that the
> type inferencing done in C++ is convenient, and that a C++ programmer might
> find the long declarations troubling, especially for textbook examples
> where the length of the working code is close to the length of the
> declaration section. I suspect that this will be less of a problem in
> most real code.

I suppose you're talking about all those generic algorithms (template
functions) in the STL.  Shrug.  Personally, I'd rather _know_ what
instantiations are being linked into my program, than have them all be
implicit.  Goes back to the easy-to-write vs.
easy-to-read/understand/debug issue between C++ and Ada95.

> I'm "evolving" a version for my own use. I am trying to stay as close to
> the C++ STL as possible, but I've left out custom allocators (still
> experimenting) 

I assume you mean passing a Storage_Pool as a generic formal parameter
into a container generic package.  Might be nice to have, but I wouldn't
bother for a first cut.  Personally, I'm a little mystified about all
those contortions the STL had to go into about allocators. All that
stuff about distinguishing pointers as NEAR vs. FAR vs. HUGE -- is that
just a peculiarity of doing C on the Wintel platform, or is that a
platform-independent peculiarity of C programming? :-) 

> and I'm starting to diverge in that I'd prefer a more
> integrated approach to exceptions in the library, more like Cay Horstmann's
> Safe STL. 

Hmm, sounds interesting... is there a URL for that?

> The two languages and their respective programming cultures are
> different enough that the the design priorities in the source library (C++
> STL) will differ a bit.

The C++ STL was forced into some particularly goofy complexities because
of C++'s lack of anything comparable to Ada95's generic contract model. 
For instance, every container class that allows bidirectional traversal
has to be accompanied by both a forward iterator class _and_ a reverse
iterator class.  Why? Because all those reusable algorithm templates are
written in terms of an iterator having a "++" increment operator.  If
you have a bidirectional iterator that has both "++" and "--", you can't
instantiate an algorithm twice using "++" in one case and "--" in the
other.  Instead, you have to have a reverse iterator class wrapped
around your forward iterator class, with the "++" for the reverse
iterator being implemented using the "--" of the forward iterator.

In Ada95, this is totally unnecessary.  Suppose you have
Some_Iterator_Type that has both an Advance procedure (++ analog) and a
Backup procedure (-- analog).  A reusable algorithm template might look
something like this:

  generic
    type Iterator_Type is private;
    type Item_Type is private;
    with procedure Advance (Iterator : in out Iterator_Type);
    with function Get_Item (Iterator : in Iterator_Type) return
Item_Type;
    ... -- whatever other formals
  procedure Do_Whatever                     -- whatever the algorithm is
    (Start, Stop : in Iterator_Type; ... ); -- whatever parameters

  procedure Do_Whatever   
    (Start, Stop : in Iterator_Type; ...)
  is
    Iterator : Iterator_Type := Start;
    Item : Item_Type;
  begin
    while Iterator /= Stop loop
      Item := Get_Item(Iterator);
      ... -- whatever
      Advance (Iterator);
    end loop;
  end Do_Whatever;

This could be instantiated on the one hand:

  procedure Do_Whatever_Forward is new Do_Whatever
    (Iterator_Type => Some_Iterator_Type,
     Item_Type     => Some_Item_Type,
     Advance       => Advance,
     Get_Item      => Get_Item,
     ... whatever else... );

and on the other hand:

  procedure Do_Whatever_Backward is new Do_Whatever
    (Iterator_Type => Some_Iterator_Type,
     Item_Type     => Some_Item_Type,
     Advance       => Backup,          -- !!
     Get_Item      => Get_Item,
     ... whatever else... );

No need for all those reverse iterator types!

> One thing I wish I could do better is have the structure of Iterator
> categories reflected in the Ada code.
>
> In the STL, Forward_Iterators
> have properties of both Input_Iterators and Output_Iterators, i.e.
...
> Now, I could just define Forward_Iterators by having two generic package
> parameters, but then I'd have to instantiate an Input/Output Iterator pair
> every time I wanted a Forward_Iterators package. 

Nah, I wouldn't bother.  Again, that's the contortions C++ forces you
into because you can't really specify generic contracts.  If an
algorithm needs something that supports the interface for an "input
iterator", the generic clause on that algorithm should just look
something like what you wrote:

> generic
>   type Value_Type is private;
>   type Iterator_Type is private;
>   with procedure Next ( i: in out Iterator_Type ) is <>;
>   with function  Get_Value ( i: in Iterator_Type ) return Value_Type is <>;
  procedure ... -- whatever algorithm
  -- (but don't bother with an Input_Iterator package)

Or if the algorithm needs an "output iterator" contract:

> generic
>   type Value_Type is private;
>   type Iterator_Type is private;
>   with procedure Next ( i: in out Iterator_Type ) is <>;
>   with procedure Set_Value ( I: in Iterator_Type; V: Value_Type) is <>;
  procedure ... -- whatever algorithm
  -- (but don't bother with an Output_Iterator package)

Or if the algorithm needs the full "forward iterator" contract:

> generic
>   type Value_Type is private;
>   type Iterator_Type is private;
>   type Value_Ptr is access all Value_Type;
>   with procedure Next ( I: in out Iterator_Type ) is <>;
>   with function Get_Value ( I: in Iterator_Type ) return Value_Type is <>;
>   with procedure Set_Value ( I: in Iterator_Type; V: Value_Type) is <>;
>   with function Get_Pointer ( I: in Iterator_Type ) return Value_Ptr is <>;
>   with function "="(I: Iterator_Type; J: Iterator_Type) return Boolean is <>;
  procedure ... -- whatever algorithm
  -- (but don't bother with a Forward_Iterator package)

> Right now I just leave
> this commonality in the documents, and express each Iterator independently.

Exactly the right thing, IMHO.

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1997-04-09  0:00 Any research putting c above ada? Konstantin B. Goldin
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Thomas Aho
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Bob Stout
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Richard Krehbiel
1997-04-10  0:00   ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-04-10  0:00   ` Tom Wheeley
1997-04-11  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-04-16  0:00     ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-17  0:00     ` Stephen Leake
1997-04-10  0:00   ` Philip Brashear
1997-04-10  0:00     ` CubanPete
1997-04-11  0:00       ` John Thomas Apa
1997-04-11  0:00   ` Gary W Smith
1997-04-11  0:00   ` Steve Jones - JON
1997-04-11  0:00     ` Terry Colligan
1997-04-11  0:00       ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-04-12  0:00         ` Terry Colligan
1997-04-11  0:00     ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-12  0:00       ` Tom Wheeley
     [not found]       ` <01bc46be$fb54cae0$3f6700cf@default>
1997-04-13  0:00         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-14  0:00           ` Craig Franck
1997-04-14  0:00       ` Roy Grimm
     [not found]       ` <33526cbf.41c6@cca.rockwell.com>
     [not found]         ` <5iusvd$118e@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>
1997-04-14  0:00           ` James S. Rogers
     [not found]           ` <33541be1.14961570@news.airmail.net>
1997-04-16  0:00             ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-16  0:00               ` Dale Stanbrough
     [not found]           ` <3353a187.1062@bix.com>
1997-04-16  0:00             ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-17  0:00               ` Tom Moran
     [not found]               ` <33545F8D.2AF4@worldnet.att.net>
     [not found]                 ` <335569F1.55A0@pratique.fr>
1997-04-20  0:00                   ` Nick Roberts
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1997-04-16  0:00             ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-18  0:00               ` Kenneth Almquist
1997-04-20  0:00                 ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-22  0:00                   ` Alan Brain
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1997-05-04  0:00                     ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-05  0:00                       ` Alan Brain
     [not found]                       ` <336ea9ca.3c92@dynamite.com.au>
1997-05-07  0:00                         ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-06  0:00                           ` Tom Moran
1997-05-07  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-07  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-07  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
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1997-05-10  0:00                             ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-10  0:00                               ` Robert S. White
1997-05-11  0:00                               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-16  0:00                               ` brad.balfour
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` T Wheeley
1997-04-19  0:00               ` Tom Wheeley
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1997-04-16  0:00           ` Matthew Givens
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1997-04-17  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-18  0:00               ` Tim Behrendsen
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1997-04-20  0:00             ` Steve Doiel
1997-04-20  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1997-04-21  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
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1997-04-11  0:00       ` James S. Rogers
1997-04-12  0:00         ` Danette & Murray Root
1997-04-12  0:00         ` Steve Summit
1997-04-12  0:00       ` Dave Wood
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1997-04-13  0:00           ` Dave Wood
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1997-04-18  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-04-20  0:00                   ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-14  0:00           ` Stephen Leake
1997-04-14  0:00           ` Robert S. White
1997-04-14  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-15  0:00               ` Robert S. White
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1997-04-16  0:00                   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-16  0:00                     ` Byron
1997-04-16  0:00                       ` John Winters
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1997-04-17  0:00                       ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-18  0:00                       ` David Thornley
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1997-04-25  0:00                           ` Alan Bowler
     [not found]                     ` <01bc4da9$75237100$f4f582c1@xhv46.dial.pipex.com>
1997-04-21  0:00                       ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-14  0:00           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-13  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-04-12  0:00       ` David Weller
1997-04-13  0:00       ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-27  0:00         ` Richard Riehle
1997-04-29  0:00           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-01  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-02  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-03  0:00                   ` Craig Franck
1997-05-03  0:00                 ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-03  0:00                   ` Robert S. White
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Roy Grimm
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00                 ` Jay Martin
1997-05-02  0:00                   ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-05  0:00                     ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-06  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-07  0:00                         ` Jay Martin
1997-05-07  0:00                           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08  0:00                             ` Jay Martin
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-09  0:00                             ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-09  0:00                             ` Alan Brain
1997-05-11  0:00                       ` deafen
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-01  0:00                   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-02  0:00                     ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-02  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-05  0:00                         ` Steve Furlong
1997-05-06  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-06  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-06  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-05-14  0:00                         ` T Wheeley
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-01  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1997-05-10  0:00                   ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-11  0:00                     ` Wilbur Streett
1997-05-12  0:00                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-20  0:00                       ` T Wheeley
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-05  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1997-05-06  0:00                     ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-03  0:00                   ` Student responsability (Was: Any research putting c above ada?) Laurent Gasser
1997-05-03  0:00                     ` John Bode
1997-05-05  0:00                     ` Steven Huang
1997-05-05  0:00                   ` Any research putting c above ada? John Apa
1997-05-06  0:00                     ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-06  0:00                       ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-07  0:00                         ` John Apa
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-10  0:00                             ` John Apa
1997-05-11  0:00                               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-14  0:00                                 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-07  0:00                         ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                           ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-07  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08  0:00                             ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-08  0:00                               ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-08  0:00                                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-09  0:00                                 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-10  0:00                                   ` Dan Shea
1997-05-11  0:00                                     ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-08  0:00                       ` Alan Brain
1997-05-07  0:00                     ` Adam Beneschan
1997-05-09  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-05-09  0:00                     ` Larry Weiss
1997-05-11  0:00                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-11  0:00                         ` Jay Martin
1997-05-12  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` Craig Franck
1997-05-12  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-13  0:00                             ` Craig Franck
1997-05-13  0:00                               ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-05-14  0:00                                 ` Mathew Hendry
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1997-05-13  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-13  0:00                               ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-05-14  0:00                               ` T Wheeley
1997-05-15  0:00                               ` Ray Blaak
1997-05-16  0:00                                 ` Alan Brain
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1997-05-14  0:00                             ` Szu-Wen Huang
1997-05-15  0:00                               ` Jonathan Guthrie
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1997-05-16  0:00                               ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
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1997-05-14  0:00                       ` Steve Jones - JON
1997-05-14  0:00                       ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-17  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-14  0:00                     ` M. Prasad
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1997-04-20  0:00                 ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-11  0:00   ` James Youngman
1997-04-11  0:00     ` Steve Summit
1997-04-12  0:00       ` Dave Wood
1997-04-14  0:00         ` Chris Lomont
1997-04-16  0:00           ` Dave Wood
1997-04-14  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-04-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-14  0:00 ` Steve Jones - JON
1997-04-14  0:00   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-15  0:00   ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-20  0:00     ` Alan Brain
     [not found]     ` <335ae79e.55ed@dynamite.com.au>
1997-04-20  0:00       ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-28  0:00         ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-04-29  0:00           ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-06  0:00             ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-05-07  0:00               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                 ` Jeff Carter
1997-05-07  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-08  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-09  0:00                   ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-09  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-13  0:00                         ` Alan Brain
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-16  0:00                             ` Alan Brain
1997-05-17  0:00                               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-17  0:00                                 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-18  0:00                                   ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-18  0:00                                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-18  0:00                                       ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-19  0:00                                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-19  0:00                                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-19  0:00                                     ` John G. Volan
1997-05-20  0:00                                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-20  0:00                                         ` Jeff Carter
1997-05-21  0:00                                       ` Alan Brain
1997-05-21  0:00                                       ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-21  0:00                                         ` John G. Volan [this message]
1997-05-22  0:00                                           ` STL in Ada95 [was: Any research putting c above ada?] Brian Rogoff
1997-05-23  0:00                                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-24  0:00                                               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-22  0:00                                           ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-23  0:00                                             ` Iterator Syntax [was: Re: STL in Ada95] Jeff Carter
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` John G. Volan
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` Michel Gauthier
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-17  0:00                               ` Any research putting c above ada? Dale Stanbrough
1997-05-12  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00           ` Daniel P Hudson
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1997-05-02  0:00               ` Daniel P Hudson
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1997-04-25  0:00         ` Craig Franck
1997-04-28  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-29  0:00             ` Andrew Koenig
1997-04-29  0:00               ` Tom Moran
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Alan Brain
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Craig Franck
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00                 ` Pat Rogers
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1997-05-01  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
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