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From: cjames3@ibm.net (The Rt Rev'd Colin James III, KOTM 1/96)
Subject: The disturbing myth of Eiffel portability
Date: 1996/11/15
Date: 1996-11-15T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3294e64b.74799475@news2.ibm.net> (raw)


It is common knowledge that the same ANSI C source code when compiled by
different ANSI C compilers produces executables which when run yield
different, inconsistent floating point results.  

This is due to the fact that the runtime floating point packages of ANSI C
compilers vary as to word size and are not required to conform to strict
standards, other than weasel words, as are Ada compilers.

Eiffel emits ANSI C code.

Therefore Eiffel is in fact not truly portable and can in fact yield
different numerical results according to platform.

That begs the following question:  how can the largest Eiffel project of
over 700,000 lines of code (the CALfp bank's derivatives' program) expect
to be taken seriously if the source code when compiled on different
platforms could produce inconsistent and erroneous results.  

In other words, the reason that banks generally have learned to avoid C due
to floating point problems is not solved at all but rather propagated and
worsened by the questionable strategic decision to adopt Eiffel.  That fact
may of course explain why no other famous banks with both US _and_ European
computer operations have jumped on the Eiffel bandwagon and predictably
would not, such as the perfect example of CitiCorp which had the first GE
bank computers about 1962.

Don Knuth tried to get around the floating point problem in the 1960's by
suggesting in Volumes 1 and 2 of his opus to use scaled integers.  It's too
bad that the immature project weenies choose not to read that classic
anymore these days and thus don't know the meaning of integer math.

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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-11-15  0:00 The Rt Rev'd Colin James III, KOTM 1/96 [this message]
1996-11-17  0:00 ` The disturbing myth of Eiffel portability Eoin Woods
1996-11-17  0:00 ` The Rt Rev'd Colin James III, KOTM 1/96
1996-11-18  0:00   ` James Youngman
1996-11-20  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-21  0:00       ` Paul Johnson
1996-11-27  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-28  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1996-11-29  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-29  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-29  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-29  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-29  0:00               ` Don Harrison
1996-11-30  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-12-01  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-02  0:00                   ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-20  0:00   ` Jeff Miller
1996-11-20  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-17  0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-11-18  0:00 ` Stephen J Bevan
1996-11-19  0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1996-11-19  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-20  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-11-21  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-22  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-11-22  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-01  0:00             ` Graham C. Hughes
1996-12-01  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-02  0:00                 ` Brian R. Hanson
1996-12-06  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-09  0:00                     ` Brian R. Hanson
1996-11-26  0:00         ` Van Snyder
1996-11-22  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-25  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-20  0:00     ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-22  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-21  0:00     ` Francois Labreque
1996-11-21  0:00       ` Kaz Kylheku
1996-11-24  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-21  0:00     ` Keith Thompson
1996-11-21  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-22  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-24  0:00       ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-11-20  0:00   ` James Mansion
1996-11-20  0:00     ` Kaz Kylheku
1996-11-25  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-26  0:00     ` Lawrence Kirby
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