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From: Alan Lovejoy <alovejoy@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools)
Date: 1996/11/06
Date: 1996-11-06T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <328109CD.6685@concentric.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 55pqr5$136a@grimsel.zurich.ibm.com


Paul_Gover@uk.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> In <32813322.41C6@kyebek3.kjist.ac.kr>, Dong Oh Kim <kdo@kyebek3.kjist.ac.kr> writes:
> > ...
> >Let me have your opinions about followings:
> >
> > 1. Is everything OK with existing oo development methods?
> >    If not, what are needed? and what stage should be enforced in the
> >    future,i.e,analysis or design,etc...?
> > ...
> 
> OK, here's my 2 cents: most OO development methods concentrate too much
> on objects and too little on classes.  This obstructs investigation of
> inheritance and polymorphism, making it hard to attain the benefits of OO.
> IMHO, in many cases this is because the design method derives from some
> entity modelling tool from before the days of OO, and entities are objects,
> not classes.

Objects are objects, not classes.

OO programs are systems of interacting **objects**, not systems of interacting **classes**.

The architecture and design of a program is a function of what **objects** it contains and 
how they interact.  What classes these objects may or may not be instances of is a separate 
issue--a fact which becomes obvious in a Self program, for example.  What matters is the
**interface** supported by each object, and the **role** each object plays in the program.
Note that two objects may support the same interface, but be instances of different
classes and/or play different roles.

Class inheritance is an abstraction mechanism for code sharing.  It has nothing much to do 
with architecture or design of a program.  Proof: any program using class inheritance can
easily be converted into a completely equivalent program where all the leaf classes are root
classes: one simply duplicates all the inherited methods in each leaf class.   Of course,
this requires either dynamic typing or Java-like interfaces, but that's a different
issue.

It's true that static typing and improperly using classes as type constraints "obstructs
investigation of...polymorphism, making it hard to attain the benefits of OO."  But blaming 
that on OO methodologies that focus on objects instead of classes is unjustified.

--
Alan L. Lovejoy		|==============================================| 
Smalltalk Consultant	|	Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs!	       |
alovejoy@concentric.net |==============================================|




  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-11-06  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-11-06  0:00 Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Dong Oh Kim
1996-11-06  0:00 ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-06  0:00   ` Snowball
1996-11-13  0:00     ` Peter Pflaum
1996-11-13  0:00       ` David N. Smith
1996-11-06  0:00   ` Jan Steinman
1996-11-07  0:00     ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Snowball
1996-11-15  0:00         ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1996-11-28  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-28  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-06  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy [this message]
1996-11-07  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-10  0:00       ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-11  0:00           ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-20  0:00               ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-10  0:00       ` drs
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Daniel Drasin
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-08  0:00     ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-08  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
     [not found]         ` <6KZQfjK-3RB@herold.franken.de>
1996-11-10  0:00           ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Chris
1996-11-10  0:00             ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Bill Gooch
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Jan Steinman
1996-11-12  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13  0:00               ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-13  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-14  0:00                   ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13  0:00             ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-13  0:00             ` Ell
1996-11-14  0:00             ` Bill Gooch
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Tim Ottinger
1996-11-08  0:00       ` Ell
1996-11-08  0:00         ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Ell
1996-11-10  0:00       ` vlad
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-14  0:00         ` David N. Smith
1996-11-14  0:00           ` Bill Gooch
1996-11-20  0:00         ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-20  0:00           ` Michael Malak
1996-11-20  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-26  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1996-12-03  0:00             ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-08  0:00               ` Tucker Taft
1996-11-07  0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-08  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-09  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-13  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-27  0:00         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-08  0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-08  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-11  0:00     ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) David N. Smith
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Anthony Menio
1996-11-08  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-12  0:00   ` Alaric B. Williams
1996-11-13  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-08  0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-08  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-11  0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Cesar A. Gonzalez Perez
1996-11-12  0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-20  0:00   ` Piercarlo Grandi
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