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From: "Marcus H. Mendenhall" <mendenmh@nashville.net>
To: Christian Bau <christian.bau@isltd.insignia.com>
Subject: Re: (topic change on) Teaching sorts
Date: 1996/08/22
Date: 1996-08-22T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <321C7A2F.49A6@nashville.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: christian.bau-2208961046370001@christian-mac.isltd.insignia.com


Christian Bau wrote:
-> On a real computer (PowerMac, no virtual memory, no background 
processes,
-> nothing that would interfere with execution time), the _number of
-> instructions per second_ did reproducably vary by a factor up to 
_seven_
-> when going from n to n+1 (for example, case n = 128 took seven times
-> longer than cases n = 127 and n = 129). So for this computer, and 
this

Isn't cacheing fun?  I have observed many bizarre effects on the 
PowerMacs when one is doing work which involves thrashing memory (FFT's, 
matrix multiplies, etc.).

In effect, one can usually assume that the total number of cpu cycles 
actully used for floating point arithmetic in these cases is 0.  
Counting real memory hits due to cache reloads gives a much more 
accurate measure of time.

In the case of testing your matrix multiply, you could use a trick I did 
to investigate timing for FFT's: I took out all pointer increments from 
the loop, so that the algorithm proceeded as usual, but carried out all 
its operations on the same few bytes of memory.  It yields nonsense for 
the result, but gives an idea of how many cpu cycles are spent on 
everything except fetching. It is sometimes quite shocking (> factor of 
10) the speed increase.

In your case, with the problem at 128 elements, i suspect this was 
because of the way the PowerPC chips (some of them at least) choose 
which cache line to fill with new data, and the 1024 byte offset between 
successive data points probably meant that each fetch required a 
complete cache line reload.

Marcus Mendenhall




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1996-07-15  0:00   ` Should I learn C or Pascal? Ralph Silverman
1996-07-15  0:00     ` Steve Sobol
1996-07-16  0:00     ` Lee Crites
1996-07-17  0:00       ` David Verschoore
1996-07-17  0:00         ` Anthony Kanner
1996-07-17  0:00         ` Mark McKinney
1996-07-19  0:00           ` Philip Brashear
1996-07-23  0:00             ` John A Hughes
1996-07-26  0:00               ` Randy Kaelber
1996-07-29  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-08-06  0:00                 ` StHeller
1996-07-20  0:00         ` TRAN PHAN ANH
1996-07-20  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00             ` TRAN PHAN ANH
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-20  0:00           ` Mark Eissler
1996-07-25  0:00             ` Erik Seaberg
1996-07-26  0:00             ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-27  0:00               ` Rick Elbers
1996-07-28  0:00                 ` Mark Eissler
1996-07-28  0:00                 ` J. Christian Blanchette
1996-07-28  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-29  0:00                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30  0:00                     ` Arra Avakian
1996-07-31  0:00                       ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-31  0:00                       ` James Youngman
1996-08-02  0:00                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-05  0:00                         ` Henrik Wetterstrom
1996-08-05  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-08-06  0:00                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-06  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-08-07  0:00                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00                                 ` Thomas Hood
1996-08-09  0:00                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-17  0:00                                 ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-17  0:00                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-19  0:00                                     ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-19  0:00                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-19  0:00                                         ` Tim Hollebeek
1996-08-20  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-20  0:00                                         ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-21  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-22  0:00                                             ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-22  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-04  0:00                                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-09-04  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Bob Gilbert
1996-09-06  0:00                                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-09  0:00                                                     ` Bob Gilbert
1996-09-11  0:00                                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-10  0:00                                                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-11  0:00                                                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-10  0:00                                                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-10  0:00                                                     ` Kaz Kylheku
1996-09-11  0:00                                                     ` Bob Gilbert
1996-09-11  0:00                                                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-11  0:00                                                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-05  0:00                                               ` Mark Wooding
1996-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Bob Cousins
1996-09-06  0:00                                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-07  0:00                                                     ` Craig Franck
1996-09-08  0:00                                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Craig Franck
1996-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-10  0:00                                                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-10  0:00                                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-11  0:00                                                         ` John Burdick
1996-09-13  0:00                                                 ` Bengt Richter
1996-09-14  0:00                                                   ` Craig Franck
1996-09-06  0:00                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-09-06  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-11  0:00                                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-11  0:00                                           ` Craig Franck
1996-09-11  0:00                                             ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-17  0:00                                           ` George
1996-09-24  0:00                                             ` Joel VanLaven
1996-09-27  0:00                                               ` Dann Corbit
1996-09-27  0:00                                               ` Tom Payne
1996-09-28  0:00                                                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-11  0:00                                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-11  0:00                                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-11  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-12  0:00                                             ` Peter Seebach
1996-09-18  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-12  0:00                                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-13  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-13  0:00                                                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-18  0:00                                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-19  0:00                                                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-17  0:00                                             ` George
1996-09-19  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-24  0:00                                                 ` Matthew M. Lih
1996-09-25  0:00                                                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-26  0:00                                                     ` Mark Wooding
1996-09-25  0:00                                                   ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1996-09-26  0:00                                                     ` Bengt Richter
1996-09-28  0:00                                                     ` Dan Pop
1996-09-26  0:00                                               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-26  0:00                                                 ` Dann Corbit
1996-09-27  0:00                                                 ` Craig Franck
1996-09-27  0:00                                                   ` Bob Cousins
1996-09-27  0:00                                                 ` Jay Martin
1996-09-27  0:00                                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-09-30  0:00                                                     ` Art Schwarz
1996-09-27  0:00                                                   ` Kent Budge
1996-09-27  0:00                                                     ` George Haddad
1996-09-27  0:00                                                       ` George Haddad
1996-09-27  0:00                                                     ` George Haddad
1996-09-28  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-09-27  0:00                                                     ` George Haddad
1996-09-27  0:00                                                     ` George Haddad
1996-09-28  0:00                                                     ` Steve Heller
1996-10-01  0:00                                                       ` DJ Kindberg
1996-09-28  0:00                                               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-18  0:00                                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-09-26  0:00                                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-01  0:00                                           ` Andrew Gierth
1996-08-22  0:00                                     ` Bengt Richter
1996-08-22  0:00                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-23  0:00                                         ` Larry J. Elmore
1996-08-22  0:00                                       ` Frank Manning
1996-08-31  0:00                                         ` Bengt Richter
1996-08-31  0:00                                           ` Frank Manning
1996-08-31  0:00                                             ` Frank Manning
1996-09-02  0:00                                             ` deafen
1996-09-03  0:00                                               ` Frank Manning
1996-09-03  0:00                                               ` Steve Howard
1996-09-03  0:00                                               ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-09-03  0:00                                               ` Phil Barnett
1996-09-03  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00                               ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
     [not found]                               ` <01bb846d$ <Dvtnon.I49@most.fw.hac.com>
1996-08-09  0:00                                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-09  0:00                               ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-09  0:00                                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-06  0:00                             ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-06  0:00                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-06  0:00                                 ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-07  0:00                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-07  0:00                                     ` Dan Pop
1996-08-08  0:00                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00                                         ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-08  0:00                                           ` Randy Kaelber
1996-08-09  0:00                                           ` J. Blustein
1996-08-11  0:00                                             ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-09  0:00                                           ` Chris Sonnack
1996-08-10  0:00                                             ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-11  0:00                                               ` Dan Pop
1996-08-12  0:00                                                 ` Chris Sonnack
1996-08-15  0:00                                                   ` Bob Hoffmann
1996-08-12  0:00                                                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-11  0:00                                               ` Chris Sonnack
1996-08-09  0:00                                         ` Dan Pop
1996-08-11  0:00                                           ` Mark Wooding
1996-08-19  0:00                                             ` James Youngman
1996-08-11  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-11  0:00                                             ` Dan Pop
1996-08-13  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-13  0:00                                                 ` Giuliano Carlini
1996-08-14  0:00                                                 ` Dan Pop
1996-08-14  0:00                                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-16  0:00                                                   ` Dik T. Winter
1996-08-12  0:00                                             ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-13  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-18  0:00                                         ` Sam B. Siegel
1996-08-19  0:00                                           ` Dan Pop
1996-08-08  0:00                                       ` Christopher R Volpe
1996-08-07  0:00                                     ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-08  0:00                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00                                         ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-08  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00                                             ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-14  0:00                                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-16  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-20  0:00                                                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-20  0:00                                                   ` Alan Bowler
1996-08-21  0:00                                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-22  0:00                                                     ` Bengt Richter
1996-08-22  0:00                                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-31  0:00                                                         ` Bengt Richter
1996-09-01  0:00                                                           ` Maurice M. Carey IV
1996-08-26  0:00                                                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-26  0:00                                                       ` madscientist
1996-08-29  0:00                                                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-26  0:00                                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-29  0:00                                                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-29  0:00                                                           ` Craig Franck
     [not found]                                                           ` <01bb95ba$9dfed580$496700cf@ljelmore.montana>
1996-08-30  0:00                                                             ` Steve Heller
1996-08-31  0:00                                                             ` Clayton Weaver
1996-08-30  0:00                                                           ` system
1996-08-31  0:00                                                             ` Kenneth Mays
1996-09-01  0:00                                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-26  0:00                                                       ` Mark Wooding
1996-08-30  0:00                                                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1996-08-30  0:00                                                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-30  0:00                                                           ` Peter Seebach
1996-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-09-01  0:00                                                           ` Joe Keane
1996-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Arkady Belousov
1996-08-31  0:00                                                       ` Tanmoy Bhattacharya
1996-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Tom Payne
1996-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Horgan
1996-09-05  0:00                                                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-05  0:00                                                           ` deafen
1996-08-09  0:00                                           ` Chris Sonnack
1996-08-08  0:00                                         ` telnet user
1996-08-09  0:00                                           ` Ed Hook
1996-08-09  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-09  0:00                                         ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-09  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-10  0:00                                             ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-12  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-12  0:00                                                 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-08-22  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Horgan
1996-08-23  0:00                                                     ` Steve Heller
1996-08-12  0:00                                                 ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-12  0:00                                                   ` Mark Wooding
1996-08-13  0:00                                                     ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-15  0:00                                                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-12  0:00                                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-13  0:00                                                     ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-13  0:00                                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-13  0:00                                                         ` Giuliano Carlini
1996-08-14  0:00                                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-15  0:00                                                         ` Mike Rubenstein
     [not found]                                                     ` <32 <01bb8923$e1d34280$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com>
1996-08-14  0:00                                                       ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-14  0:00                                                         ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-14  0:00                                                           ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-08  0:00                                     ` Teaching sorts [was Re: What's the best language to start with?] Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-09  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-10  0:00                                       ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-10  0:00                                       ` Al Aab
1996-08-12  0:00                                       ` Steve Heller
1996-08-12  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-16  0:00                                           ` Steve Heller
1996-08-16  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-18  0:00                                               ` Steve Heller
1996-08-18  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-18  0:00                                                   ` Steve Heller
1996-08-18  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-20  0:00                                                       ` Steve Heller
1996-08-16  0:00                                             ` Adam Beneschan
1996-08-18  0:00                                               ` Steve Heller
1996-08-18  0:00                                                 ` Jeff Dege
1996-08-18  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-16  0:00                                             ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-17  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-17  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-20  0:00                                                 ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-20  0:00                                                   ` Dann Corbit
1996-08-21  0:00                                                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-21  0:00                                                       ` Dann Corbit
1996-08-22  0:00                                                       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-22  0:00                                                         ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-23  0:00                                                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-25  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-21  0:00                                                   ` Dik T. Winter
1996-08-21  0:00                                                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-21  0:00                                                       ` Pete Becker
1996-08-22  0:00                                                         ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-22  0:00                                                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-22  0:00                                                           ` Pete Becker
1996-08-21  0:00                                                       ` Tanmoy Bhattacharya
1996-08-22  0:00                                                         ` Dann Corbit
1996-08-22  0:00                                                         ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-21  0:00                                                       ` Matt Austern
1996-08-21  0:00                                                         ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-22  0:00                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-24  0:00                                                         ` Joe Keane
1996-08-22  0:00                                                     ` Tanmoy Bhattacharya
1996-08-21  0:00                                                 ` Tanmoy Bhattacharya
1996-08-21  0:00                                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-22  0:00                                                     ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-22  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-21  0:00                                                   ` Adam Beneschan
1996-08-22  0:00                                                     ` Christian Bau
1996-08-22  0:00                                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-08-23  0:00                                                         ` Tim Hollebeek
1996-08-24  0:00                                                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-24  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-22  0:00                                                       ` Marcus H. Mendenhall [this message]
1996-08-27  0:00                                                         ` (topic change on) Teaching sorts Ralph Silverman
1996-08-23  0:00                                                       ` Teaching sorts [was Re: What's the best language to start with?] Andrew Koenig
1996-08-22  0:00                                                     ` Andrew Koenig
1996-08-24  0:00                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-18  0:00                                               ` Steve Heller
1996-08-21  0:00                                               ` Matt Austern
1996-08-23  0:00                                               ` Tanmoy Bhattacharya
1996-08-23  0:00                                                 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-08-14  0:00                                       ` Stephen Baynes
1996-08-14  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-16  0:00                                           ` Dik T. Winter
1996-08-16  0:00                                             ` Joe Foster
1996-08-18  0:00                                           ` Glenn Rhoads
1996-08-19  0:00                                           ` Stephen Baynes
1996-08-19  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-19  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-19  0:00                                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]                                             ` <dewar.840491732@schonberg>
1996-08-19  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-22  0:00                                                 ` Stephen Baynes
1996-08-27  0:00                                                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-14  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-13  0:00                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-14  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-15  0:00                                       ` Tom Payne
1996-08-13  0:00                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-13  0:00                                       ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-14  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-14  0:00                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-15  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-15  0:00                                     ` Blair Phillips
1996-08-27  0:00                                     ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Tanmoy Bhattacharya
1996-08-29  0:00                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-30  0:00                                       ` Steve Heller
1996-08-30  0:00                                     ` Tanmoy Bhattacharya
1996-08-07  0:00                                 ` What's the best language to start with Ian Ward
1996-08-08  0:00                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-09  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-11  0:00                                 ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Jerone A. Bowers
1996-08-06  0:00                             ` Dan Pop
1996-08-06  0:00                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-06  0:00                                 ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-07  0:00                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-07  0:00                                     ` James A. Squire
1996-08-07  0:00                                     ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-08  0:00                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00                                         ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-08  0:00                                     ` David Weller
1996-08-09  0:00                                     ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-10  0:00                                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-11  0:00                                         ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-11  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-12  0:00                                             ` Alf P. Steinbach
1996-08-12  0:00                                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-13  0:00                                             ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-11  0:00                                         ` Craig Franck
1996-08-11  0:00                                           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-07  0:00                                 ` Mark Eissler
     [not found]                               ` <01bb83cc$fb <tequila-0708960947140001@tequila.interlog.com>
1996-08-07  0:00                                 ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-12  0:00                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-05  0:00                         ` Chris Sonnack
1996-08-06  0:00                           ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-13  0:00                       ` Chris Sonnack
1996-08-16  0:00                         ` Steve Heller
1996-08-16  0:00                           ` John Hobson
1996-07-31  0:00                   ` AJ Musgrove
1996-08-01  0:00                     ` Sam Harris
1996-08-02  0:00                       ` Eric W. Nikitin
1996-08-01  0:00                     ` Ken Pizzini
1996-08-01  0:00                     ` Tim Hollebeek
1996-08-03  0:00                     ` Raffael Cavallaro
1996-08-05  0:00                       ` Chris Sonnack
1996-07-31  0:00                   ` Patrick Horgan
1996-08-08  0:00                   ` William Clodius
1996-08-08  0:00                   ` William Clodius
1996-08-11  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-08-11  0:00                     ` Dik T. Winter
1996-08-13  0:00                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1996-08-14  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-15  0:00                   ` Teaching sorts [was Re: What's the best language to start with?] Norman H. Cohen
1996-08-16  0:00                     ` Steve Heller
1996-08-19  0:00                   ` Ted Dennison
1996-08-23  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-23  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1996-08-24  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-27  0:00                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-09-02  0:00                           ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-07-28  0:00               ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Robert Dewar
1996-07-29  0:00                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-30  0:00                   ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn TRAN PHAN ANH
1996-07-30  0:00                   ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Paul Campbell
1996-07-30  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-02  0:00                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-03  0:00                         ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-04  0:00                           ` Alf P. Steinbach
1996-08-04  0:00                             ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-04  0:00                               ` Jerry van Dijk
1996-08-05  0:00                               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-04  0:00                                 ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-05  0:00                                   ` Chris Sonnack
1996-08-05  0:00                                     ` Tim Hollebeek
1996-08-10  0:00                                       ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-05  0:00                                     ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-07  0:00                                       ` Tom Watson
1996-08-06  0:00                                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-03  0:00                     ` Patrick Horgan
1996-08-04  0:00                       ` Kurt E. Huhner
1996-07-31  0:00                   ` Arne W. Flones
1996-08-02  0:00                   ` David Wheeler
1996-08-02  0:00                     ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-02  0:00                       ` Gary M. Greenberg
1996-08-03  0:00                       ` Alf P. Steinbach
1996-08-02  0:00                         ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-05  0:00                       ` Chris Sonnack
1996-08-05  0:00                         ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-06  0:00                     ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pasca StHeller
1996-08-06  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-06  0:00                 ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Conrad Herrmann
1996-08-06  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-06  0:00                 ` Alf P. Steinbach
1996-07-29  0:00               ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-07-30  0:00               ` Alan Peake
     [not found]               ` <dewar. <peake.206.002D549F@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>
1996-07-31  0:00                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-31  0:00                 ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-02  0:00                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-05  0:00                     ` Mark McKinney
1996-08-05  0:00                     ` Mark McKinney
1996-08-05  0:00                     ` Mark McKinney
1996-07-31  0:00                 ` P. Cnudde VH14 (8218)
1996-07-31  0:00                   ` Nicolas Devillard
1996-08-02  0:00                   ` Matt Austern
1996-08-15  0:00                     ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-07-20  0:00           ` Should I learn C or Pascal? Andy Askey
1996-07-20  0:00             ` steidl
1996-07-21  0:00               ` Andy Askey
1996-07-22  0:00           ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-23  0:00             ` TRAN PHAN ANH
1996-07-18  0:00       ` Patrick Horgan
1996-07-18  0:00         ` Jason Alan Turnage
1996-07-19  0:00           ` Vic Metcalfe
1996-07-19  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-20  0:00             ` steved
1996-07-19  0:00               ` Peter Seebach
1996-07-20  0:00                 ` Jon Bell
1996-07-20  0:00                   ` Andy Askey
1996-07-20  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00                   ` steidl
1996-07-22  0:00                     ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-23  0:00                       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-23  0:00                         ` Michael Ickes
1996-07-25  0:00                           ` Andy Askey
1996-07-24  0:00                         ` system
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-18  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00           ` Billy Chambless
1996-07-19  0:00         ` Reto Koradi
1996-07-23  0:00           ` TRAN PHAN ANH
1996-07-19  0:00         ` Andrew Gierth
1996-07-19  0:00         ` Scott McMahan - Softbase Systems
1996-07-20  0:00           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-21  0:00             ` Rich Maggio
1996-07-21  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00             ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-23  0:00               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-20  0:00           ` steidl
1996-07-18  0:00       ` Walter B. Hollman Sr.
1996-07-18  0:00       ` Carlos DeAngulo
1996-07-18  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00           ` Jon Bell
1996-07-22  0:00             ` Tim Oxler
1996-07-22  0:00               ` Stig Norland
1996-07-22  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-30  0:00                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-31  0:00                 ` Patrick Horgan
1996-07-22  0:00               ` Janus
     [not found]           ` <01bb7588$236982e0$7b91f780@deangulo>
1996-07-19  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-20  0:00             ` steidl
1996-07-19  0:00         ` Dirk Dickmanns
     [not found]         ` <01bb7591$83087d60$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com>
1996-07-19  0:00           ` Craig Franck
1996-07-19  0:00           ` johnf
1996-07-19  0:00             ` Jason Alan Turnage
1996-07-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-20  0:00                 ` Crash
1996-07-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-20  0:00                 ` TRAN PHAN ANH
1996-07-22  0:00                   ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-20  0:00                 ` Jon Bell
1996-07-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-21  0:00                     ` Alexander Vrenios
1996-07-21  0:00                   ` Steve Tate
1996-07-21  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-21  0:00                     ` Phil Howard
1996-07-21  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00                         ` Steve Tate
1996-07-22  0:00                   ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` ++           robin
1996-07-23  0:00                 ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-22  0:00               ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-22  0:00                 ` Jeremy Nelson
1996-07-22  0:00                   ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-19  0:00             ` Jeremy Nelson
1996-07-20  0:00             ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-07-22  0:00             ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-23  0:00               ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` John A Hughes
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-23  0:00             ` John A Hughes
1996-07-23  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-16  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-07-24  0:00   ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-17  0:00 ` Aron Felix Gurski
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Andrew Gierth
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Andrew Gierth
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Andrew Gierth
1996-07-21  0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
1996-07-22  0:00   ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-07-21  0:00 ` Wayne
1996-07-22  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-07-22  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-07-23  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-07-24  0:00   ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-24  0:00   ` Andrew J Steinbach
1996-07-24  0:00     ` system
1996-07-24  0:00     ` John A Hughes
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Jon Bell
1996-07-24  0:00   ` Ralph Silverman
1996-07-24  0:00     ` TRAN PHAN ANH
1996-07-24  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-07-25  0:00   ` Andy Askey
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Mark Eissler
1996-08-02  0:00   ` Patrick Horgan
1996-08-04  0:00     ` Gary M. Greenberg
     [not found]     ` <4u76ej$7s9@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
1996-08-06  0:00       ` Ralph Silverman
1996-08-12  0:00         ` Patrick Horgan
1996-08-13  0:00           ` Ralph Silverman
1996-08-13  0:00           ` Darin Johnson
1996-08-13  0:00             ` What's the best language to learn? [was Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-14  0:00               ` Gabor Egressy
1996-08-15  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-17  0:00                   ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-20  0:00                       ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-16  0:00                 ` Mark Wooding
1996-08-17  0:00                   ` Dan Pop
1996-08-17  0:00                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-17  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-17  0:00                       ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-18  0:00                         ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-17  0:00                       ` Dan Pop
1996-08-18  0:00                         ` Mark Wooding
1996-08-20  0:00                           ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-21  0:00                           ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-21  0:00                             ` Adam Beneschan
1996-08-21  0:00                             ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-21  0:00                     ` Tanmoy Bhattacharya
1996-08-30  0:00                       ` Goto considered really harmful Patrick Horgan
1996-09-04  0:00                         ` Dennison
1996-08-14  0:00               ` What's the best language to learn? [was Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Peter Seebach
1996-08-14  0:00                 ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-14  0:00                   ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-14  0:00                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-14  0:00                       ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-15  0:00                       ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-15  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-16  0:00                         ` Joe Foster
1996-08-18  0:00                         ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-20  0:00                           ` James Youngman
1996-08-21  0:00                           ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-15  0:00                     ` DAVID A MOLNAR
1996-08-15  0:00                     ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-18  0:00                       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-14  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-14  0:00                     ` Dan Pop
1996-08-14  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-14  0:00                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-15  0:00                     ` Joe Foster
1996-08-16  0:00                   ` Dr. Richard Botting
1996-08-18  0:00                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-21  0:00                       ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-21  0:00                         ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-22  0:00                         ` Mark Wooding
1996-08-23  0:00                           ` Bengt Richter
1996-08-23  0:00                         ` Clayton Weaver
1996-08-16  0:00                   ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-17  0:00                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-18  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-18  0:00                         ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-26  0:00                         ` Patrick Horgan
1996-08-27  0:00                           ` Alan Peake
1996-08-27  0:00                             ` Steve Heller
1996-08-28  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-28  0:00                             ` Tom Watson
1996-08-28  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-30  0:00                               ` Alan Peake
1996-08-31  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-03  0:00                                   ` Alan Peake
1996-09-07  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-07  0:00                                 ` .
1996-08-29  0:00                           ` Darin Johnson
1996-08-19  0:00                       ` John Hobson
1996-08-19  0:00                         ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-19  0:00                           ` John Hobson
1996-08-20  0:00                             ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-27  0:00                               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-23  0:00                           ` Alan Bowler
1996-08-21  0:00               ` What's the best language to learn? [any language except Ada] Bill Mackay
1996-08-22  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-23  0:00                   ` Larry J. Elmore
1996-08-22  0:00                 ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-24  0:00                 ` Alan Brain
1996-08-15  0:00             ` Should I learn C or Pascal? Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-17  0:00               ` Alexander J Russell
1996-08-17  0:00               ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-17  0:00               ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-18  0:00                 ` Ken Pizzini
1996-08-19  0:00                 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-23  0:00                   ` Joe Keane
1996-08-16  0:00             ` Dr E. Buxbaum
1996-08-16  0:00               ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-17  0:00                 ` Paul Hsieh
1996-08-17  0:00                   ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-19  0:00                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-20  0:00                       ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-22  0:00                         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-08-22  0:00                           ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-16  0:00               ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-20  0:00               ` Paul Schlyter
1996-08-20  0:00                 ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-21  0:00                 ` James Youngman
1996-08-22  0:00                   ` TRAN PHAN ANH
1996-08-22  0:00                     ` Dr E. Buxbaum
1996-08-27  0:00             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1996-08-27  0:00               ` Steve Heller
1996-08-27  0:00               ` Craig Franck
1996-08-27  0:00                 ` Ted Dennison
1996-08-27  0:00                   ` John Hobson
1996-08-27  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
1996-08-27  0:00               ` Bob Cousins
1996-08-28  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-09-01  0:00               ` Patrick Horgan
1996-09-12  0:00                 ` Delete - Don't Bother to Read This Charles H. Sampson
1996-08-16  0:00           ` Should I learn C or Pascal? Darin Johnson
1996-08-16  0:00           ` What's the best language to learn? [was Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Darin Johnson
1996-08-16  0:00             ` system
1996-08-16  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-20  0:00           ` Should I learn C or Pascal? Darin Johnson
1996-08-21  0:00           ` What's the best language to learn? [was Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Darin Johnson
1996-08-22  0:00           ` What's the best language to learn? [any language except Ada] Jon S Anthony
1996-08-23  0:00           ` Darin Johnson
1996-08-25  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-24  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-05  0:00   ` Should I learn C or Pascal? Sherwin Anthony Sequeira
1996-07-24  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-25  0:00 ` ++           robin
1996-07-25  0:00 ` ++           robin
1996-07-30  0:00   ` Robert Barnes
1996-07-30  0:00     ` Rob(t.) Brannan
1996-08-01  0:00       ` Tony Konashenok
1996-08-04  0:00         ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-09  0:00         ` Verne Arase
1996-08-01  0:00       ` ++           robin
1996-08-01  0:00         ` Ralph Silverman
1996-08-06  0:00           ` ++           robin
1996-07-25  0:00 ` ++           robin
1996-07-31  0:00 ` What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Darin Johnson
1996-08-02  0:00   ` Alan Peake
1996-07-31  0:00 ` Darin Johnson
1996-08-01  0:00   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-01  0:00     ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-03  0:00       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-06  0:00         ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-05  0:00     ` Patrick Horgan
1996-08-06  0:00       ` Dan Pop
1996-08-08  0:00         ` steidl
1996-08-06  0:00       ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-01  0:00 ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-05  0:00   ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-06  0:00     ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-07  0:00       ` Stephen M O'Shaughnessy
1996-08-09  0:00         ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-06  0:00   ` Patrick Horgan
1996-08-01  0:00 ` Andy Hardy
1996-08-07  0:00 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-08-07  0:00   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00     ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-08  0:00       ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00         ` Christopher R Volpe
1996-08-08  0:00         ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-08  0:00           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-09  0:00             ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-09  0:00               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-10  0:00                 ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-11  0:00                   ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-09  0:00           ` some days weren't there at all
1996-08-10  0:00           ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-11  0:00             ` Szu-Wen Huang
1996-08-17  0:00             ` Richard Chiu
1996-09-04  0:00               ` Lawrence Kirby
1996-08-08  0:00         ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-08  0:00           ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-08  0:00             ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-09  0:00               ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-09  0:00                 ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-15  0:00                   ` James_Rogers
1996-08-17  0:00                     ` Tim Behrendsen
1996-08-10  0:00           ` Mike Rubenstein
1996-08-10  0:00             ` Peter Seebach
1996-08-11  0:00             ` Craig Franck
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