From: Andy Askey <ajaskey@gnn.com>
To: "Kevin J. Weise" <kweise@c3i-ccmail.sed.redstone.army.mil>
Subject: Re: Programmers -> Engineers; Engineers -> Programmers
Date: 1996/08/10
Date: 1996-08-10T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <320CB7C4.53FE@gnn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4udri5$dmv@michp1.redstone.army.mil
Kevin J. Weise wrote:
>
>
> I don't have any realistic, hard statistics, but...
>
> It has been my experience that most companies will take engineers and
> make them do programming. Some like it, some don't. I've worked for a
> few companies like this and hated having to clean up the software
> messes left by the engineers (many of whom get *very* uptight that
> anyone would question their bizarre architectures and coding
> practices). Many engineers (primarily those who give a damn), after
> living on a serious software project, pick up good software development
> practices from good software developers(if they are around) and good
> literature (if they are motivated to look for it). Conversely, many
> good software developers can pick up the needed background in an
> engineering field (if they give a damn, if they have an associate who
> knows the field, if they are motivated,...). *BUT*, with management
> usually coming from the engineering ranks, a software developer who
> does a poor engineering job is almost always blamed/punished/rejected
> whereas an engineer who does a poor software job is rarely noticed.
> (Probably because those same managers can't determine if the software
> job was good or not.) (I guess if this was a troll, I fell right in.)
>
> Anyhow, IMHO, you need both. If you can get people with good, solid
> backgrounds in both the desired engineering field and in software
> engineering, that's great. If you can't, but can settle for being a
> CMM Level 1 organization, go for the engineers. But, then again, if
> you need multiple engineers, you really should consider the software
> part an engineering field as well, and get some software *engineers*
> (i.e., don't settle for merely code-slingers).
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Kevin J. Weise email: kweise@sed.redstone.army.mil
> COLSA Corp. voice: (205) 842-9083
> Huntsville, AL
>
> ..standard disclaimers apply
Gee Kevin,
I agree with everything you said except the part of management usually
coming from the engineering ranks. I have found the biggest problem is
that the managers tend to have neither a programming or engineering
background. Most have a management background which usually allows them
to screw up everyone and everything involved.
--
May your karma be good for forgiving my typos.
Andy Askey
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Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1996-08-08 0:00 Programmers -> Engineers; Engineers -> Programmers James Krell
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-08-10 0:00 ` Andy Askey [this message]
1996-08-10 0:00 ` David Weller
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Jack W Scheible
1996-08-12 0:00 ` John Gluth
1996-08-12 0:00 ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-08-14 0:00 ` Robin P. Reagan
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Mike Roske
1996-08-15 0:00 ` James A. Krzyzanowski
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Jack W Scheible
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-08-16 0:00 ` steved
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Mike Ryer
1996-08-09 0:00 ` whiting_ms@corning.com (Matt Whiting)
1996-08-08 0:00 ` Ron Thompson
1996-08-08 0:00 ` James A. Krzyzanowski
1996-08-09 0:00 ` steved
1996-08-09 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-08-10 0:00 ` Andy Askey
1996-08-13 0:00 ` Frank Manning
1996-08-15 0:00 ` Brendan WALKER
1996-08-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-16 0:00 ` Stephen J Bevan
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1996-08-14 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-08-14 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-08-19 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-20 0:00 ` Thomas Kendelbacher
1996-08-27 0:00 ` jtapa
1996-08-28 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-08-19 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-08-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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