* Limitations of Ada @ 1996-07-19 0:00 The Quelisher 1996-07-20 0:00 ` Michael Feldman ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: The Quelisher @ 1996-07-19 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) With all this discussion about programming different things ins Ada, I got to thinking......Just what are the limitations of the language? I mean, is it versitile enough to program a Windows program then turn right back around and make a kernel? Just letting curiosity get the better of me... -- #-----------------------------------------------------------------# | _ __ __ | | \\ \ \ / / | | \\ GO __ \ \/ / __ | | \\ TALLAHASSEE * 1971 Karmann Ghia * \ \ \ / / / | | \\ TIGERSHARKS! * Coupe * \ \/ \/ / | | \\____ \ /\ / | | \_XXX) \/ \/ | | | | Live Long and Quelish!....................Kendal | #-----------------------------------------------------------------# ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-19 0:00 Limitations of Ada The Quelisher @ 1996-07-20 0:00 ` Michael Feldman 1996-07-21 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Michael Feldman @ 1996-07-20 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <31EF79A3.812@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>, The Quelisher <kendal@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> wrote: >With all this discussion about programming different things ins Ada, I >got to thinking......Just what are the limitations of the language? I >mean, is it versitile enough to program a Windows program then turn right >back around and make a kernel? Yes. It's as versatile as any other language; it is general-purpose. I often wonder why anyone would think otherwise? >Just letting curiosity get the better of me... Why not satisfy that curiosity by giving it a try? Mike Feldman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-19 0:00 Limitations of Ada The Quelisher 1996-07-20 0:00 ` Michael Feldman @ 1996-07-21 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi 1996-07-23 0:00 ` Bob Munck 1996-07-22 0:00 ` Klaus Wyss 1996-07-30 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison 3 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Nasser Abbasi @ 1996-07-21 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) >From: The Quelisher <kendal@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> >With all this discussion about programming different things ins Ada, I >got to thinking......Just what are the limitations of the language? I >mean, is it versitile enough to program a Windows program then turn right >back around and make a kernel? >Just letting curiosity get the better of me... Ada has no known limitations. bye, Nasser -- Nasser Abbasi. C/C++/Ada Solaris. GeneAssist - A client/server application for Nucleic acid and protein sequence search and analysis. Perkin Elmer - Applied BioSystem division. email: nasser@apldbio.com MSEE(control), MSCS, MSCE, FM (Fide Chess Master). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-21 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi @ 1996-07-23 0:00 ` Bob Munck 1996-07-24 0:00 ` David Kristola ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Bob Munck @ 1996-07-23 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) >From: The Quelisher <kendal@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> >With all this discussion about programming different things ins Ada, I >got to thinking......Just what are the limitations of the language? > Ada is unable to exceed the speed of light. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-23 0:00 ` Bob Munck @ 1996-07-24 0:00 ` David Kristola 1996-07-24 0:00 ` Ron Thompson 1996-07-25 0:00 ` Limitations of Ada Keith Thompson 1996-07-29 0:00 ` David Weller 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: David Kristola @ 1996-07-24 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article 6EBF@acm.org, Bob Munck <munck@acm.org> () writes: >>From: The Quelisher <kendal@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> >>With all this discussion about programming different things ins Ada, I >>got to thinking......Just what are the limitations of the language? >> > >Ada is unable to exceed the speed of light. I have been unable to write Ada code that reads a user's mind. david kristola Work: davidk@os1.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com Play: DJKristola@aol.com My suggestion for Lockheed Martin's next slogan: "Lockheed Martin, we make things that go BOOM!" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-24 0:00 ` David Kristola @ 1996-07-24 0:00 ` Ron Thompson 1996-07-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Ron Thompson @ 1996-07-24 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) davidk@OS2.ifs (David Kristola) wrote: > >My suggestion for Lockheed Martin's next slogan: >"Lockheed Martin, we make things that go BOOM!" > Yeah, I snipped all the other about C/C++/Ada, Ada limitations, Java vs Freeze_Dried, etc. The suggestion above is what is REALLY important in any discussion of real time embedded old crap that MOST of us have to support. At least around here anyway. That, David, is an excellent suggestion. There was a list floating around a couple of months ago that outlined some really good ones for the slogan du jour. Try to get yours on it! A good laugh here that was. LM probably laughed too. rct The opinions above are mine and mine alone. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-24 0:00 ` Ron Thompson @ 1996-07-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington 1996-07-29 0:00 ` Byron B. Kauffman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Ken Garlington @ 1996-07-26 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Ron Thompson wrote: > > davidk@OS2.ifs (David Kristola) wrote: > > >My suggestion for Lockheed Martin's next slogan: > >"Lockheed Martin, we make things that go BOOM!" > > That, David, is an excellent suggestion. Of course, for us LM types that build flight control systems, we might prefer: "Lockheed Martin, we make things that make _other_ things go BOOM!" since, when _our_ systems go BOOM, this is considered a Bad Thing :) -- LMTAS - "Our Brand Means Quality" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-26 0:00 ` Ken Garlington @ 1996-07-29 0:00 ` Byron B. Kauffman 1996-07-30 0:00 ` Things that go BOOM (was Re: Limitations of Ada) David Kristola 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Byron B. Kauffman @ 1996-07-29 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Ken Garlington wrote: > > Ron Thompson wrote: > > > > davidk@OS2.ifs (David Kristola) wrote: > > > > >My suggestion for Lockheed Martin's next slogan: > > >"Lockheed Martin, we make things that go BOOM!" > > > > That, David, is an excellent suggestion. > > Of course, for us LM types that build flight control systems, > we might prefer: > > "Lockheed Martin, we make things that make _other_ things go BOOM!" > > since, when _our_ systems go BOOM, this is considered a Bad Thing :) > > -- > LMTAS - "Our Brand Means Quality" Hey, whattaya expect from an ex A-12 avionics guy? Byron Kauffman LMTAS - "We Do Falcons Right" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Things that go BOOM (was Re: Limitations of Ada) 1996-07-29 0:00 ` Byron B. Kauffman @ 1996-07-30 0:00 ` David Kristola 1996-07-31 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: David Kristola @ 1996-07-30 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Just to set the record straight, i am currently working on a missile program (hopefully, it will go BOOM when and where it is supposed to). Ken Garlington wrote: > Of course, for us LM types that build flight control systems, > we might prefer: > > "Lockheed Martin, we make things that make _other_ things go BOOM!" That too. > Byron Kauffman > LMTAS - "We Do Falcons Right" An F-16 can make a nice sonic BOOM. david kristola Work: davidk@os1.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com Play: DJKristola@aol.com My *revised* suggestion for Lockheed Martin's next slogan: "Lockheed Martin, we make things that go BOOM!, whoosh, ping, wherrrr, pop, shhhh, hummm (not necessarily the same thing, or at the same time)." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Things that go BOOM (was Re: Limitations of Ada) 1996-07-30 0:00 ` Things that go BOOM (was Re: Limitations of Ada) David Kristola @ 1996-07-31 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison 1996-08-12 0:00 ` Ken Garlington 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Theodore E. Dennison @ 1996-07-31 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) David Kristola wrote: > > Just to set the record straight, i am currently working on a missile program > (hopefully, it will go BOOM when and where it is supposed to). > > Ken Garlington wrote: > > Of course, for us LM types that build flight control systems, > > we might prefer: > > > > "Lockheed Martin, we make things that make _other_ things go BOOM!" > > That too. > > > Byron Kauffman > > LMTAS - "We Do Falcons Right" > > An F-16 can make a nice sonic BOOM. > > david kristola > Work: davidk@os1.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com > Play: DJKristola@aol.com > > My *revised* suggestion for Lockheed Martin's next slogan: > "Lockheed Martin, we make things that go BOOM!, whoosh, ping, wherrrr, pop, shhhh, > hummm (not necessarily the same thing, or at the same time)." Well, our engine control/sensor monitoring/actuator controlling software should neither go BOOM, nor make anything else go BOOM (unless you count the combustion chamber inside the engine). Additionally, the folks across the aisle from me in simulations just make things LOOK like they went BOOM. ..here to help. -- T.E.D. | Work - mailto:dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com | | Home - mailto:dennison@iag.net | | URL - http://www.iag.net/~dennison | ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Things that go BOOM (was Re: Limitations of Ada) 1996-07-31 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison @ 1996-08-12 0:00 ` Ken Garlington 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ken Garlington @ 1996-08-12 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Theodore E. Dennison wrote: > > Well, our engine control/sensor monitoring/actuator controlling software should > neither go BOOM, nor make anything else go BOOM (unless you count the combustion > chamber inside the engine). Unless of course, your software is used in a weapon system that makes other things go BOOM (like my software)! > ..here to help. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-23 0:00 ` Bob Munck 1996-07-24 0:00 ` David Kristola @ 1996-07-25 0:00 ` Keith Thompson 1996-07-29 0:00 ` David Weller 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Keith Thompson @ 1996-07-25 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In <31F54DE2.6EBF@acm.org> Bob Munck <munck@acm.org> writes: > >From: The Quelisher <kendal@freenet.scri.fsu.edu> > >With all this discussion about programming different things ins Ada, I > >got to thinking......Just what are the limitations of the language? > > > > Ada is unable to exceed the speed of light. Why must people continue to spread the myth that Ada is inherently slower than C? 8-)} -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst@thomsoft.com <*> TeleSoft^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Alsys^H^H^H^H^H Thomson Software Products 10251 Vista Sorrento Parkway, Suite 300, San Diego, CA, USA, 92121-2718 "As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the Internet deserves the highest protection from government intrusion." -- ACLU v. Reno ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-23 0:00 ` Bob Munck 1996-07-24 0:00 ` David Kristola 1996-07-25 0:00 ` Limitations of Ada Keith Thompson @ 1996-07-29 0:00 ` David Weller 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: David Weller @ 1996-07-29 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <31F54DE2.6EBF@acm.org>, Bob Munck <munck@acm.org> wrote: >Ada is unable to exceed the speed of light. Rumor has it that IBM is working on a practical solution to this by redefining 'c' :-) (A dual pun if there ever was :-) -- Visit the Ada 95 Booch Components Homepage: www.ocsystems.com/booch This is not your father's Ada -- lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-19 0:00 Limitations of Ada The Quelisher 1996-07-20 0:00 ` Michael Feldman 1996-07-21 0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi @ 1996-07-22 0:00 ` Klaus Wyss 1996-07-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1996-07-30 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison 3 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Klaus Wyss @ 1996-07-22 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) The Quelisher wrote: > > With all this discussion about programming different things ins Ada, I > got to thinking......Just what are the limitations of the language? I > mean, is it versitile enough to program a Windows program then turn right > back around and make a kernel? > > Just letting curiosity get the better of me... > -- There are no limitations, as long as you stay in the in the nice clean ADA world. If you go to the real dirty computer world, with all the C libraries (Windows,X11,DCE, DB access .... ) you get a lot of limitations. For example if your ADA is not based on pthreads you run into problems with DCE. Klaus Wyss UBS Switzerland ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-22 0:00 ` Klaus Wyss @ 1996-07-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1996-07-24 0:00 ` David Emery 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 1996-07-23 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Klaus says "There are no limitations, as long as you stay in the in the nice clean ADA world. If you go to the real dirty computer world, with all the C libraries (Windows,X11,DCE, DB access .... ) you get a lot of limitations. For example if your ADA is not based on pthreads you run into problems with DCE." Well of course if you are going to interface to the outside world, you must make sure that your Ada compiler has the appropriate capabilities. For example, if you want to interface to C, make sure that the systems programming annex is supported. Similarly, it is quite true that if you want to interface to an outside threads package, then this has implications on the runtime. The statement above is not quite correct, since DCE uses DCE threads, which are not compatible with Pthreads (I assume Pthreads means Posix threads), since they are based on Draft 4, rather than the final version (which was draft 10). However, the differences are small. GNAT uses the DCE threads interface on a number of different machines, and even on a machine where it uses pthreads (e.g. SGI Irix), it would be quite easy to build a version based on DCE threads is this were a requirement. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar @ 1996-07-24 0:00 ` David Emery 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: David Emery @ 1996-07-24 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) ... >, since > [DCE threads] are based on Draft 4, rather than the final version (which was > draft 10). However, the differences are small. > Not THAT small, particularly for an Ada RTS! dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Limitations of Ada 1996-07-19 0:00 Limitations of Ada The Quelisher ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 1996-07-22 0:00 ` Klaus Wyss @ 1996-07-30 0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison 3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Theodore E. Dennison @ 1996-07-30 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) The Quelisher wrote: > > With all this discussion about programming different things ins Ada, I > got to thinking......Just what are the limitations of the language? I > mean, is it versitile enough to program a Windows program then turn right > back around and make a kernel? My understanding is that BLISS is required to code a VMS device driver. That's the only "Can't" that I ever came across. -- T.E.D. | Work - mailto:dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com | | Home - mailto:dennison@iag.net | | URL - http://www.iag.net/~dennison | ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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