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From: pp000166@interramp.com (Robert Munck)
Subject: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?
Date: 1996/05/10
Date: 1996-05-10T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3192c204.110870781@news.interramp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 31913863.446B9B3D@escmail.orl.mmc.com


On Wed, 08 May 1996 20:12:19 -0400, Theodore E. Dennison
<dennison@escmail.orl.mmc.com> wrote:
>I just read through the descripion of their review. Important points:
>  o   They seem to be taking a fair amount of care to prevent the 
>      committee from being "stacked" one way or the other.

Except, of course, that there's hardly anyone on the committee
who has come within a mile of developing applications software
for the DoD in the last decade.  They lean heavily toward university
types and vendors of development software, the kind of people who
believe "common knowledge" fairy tales about reuse, COTS, rapid
prototyping, and O-O.

Just once, I'd like to see a committee like this have a substantial
number of people who have been grunt programmers, line managers,
and second-level managers on real multi-year, multi-contractor DoD
development projects. The professorial types can do brilliant work,
and quite a few of these have made important advances in the state
of the art, but there seems to be a huge difference between the 
state of the art in which they work and the state of the practice in
which real DoD software gets written.  It's not just that one lags the
other; they seem to be going off in different directions.

For example, this group is apt to be quite taken with the 
wonderful logic of COTS and know nothing about the practical
nightmares of frequent package, OS, and platform upgrades,
user "support," and vendor instability.

I was involve in some work years ago at NRL where they brought
in the kind of real-world experienced people I'm talking about to
do some work on development environments.  It was fantastic;
they really knew what works and what doesn't from painful
experience.  Unfortunately, that kind of person is much too 
valuable doing the real work to spend time sitting on committees.

Bob Munck@acm.org






  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-05-10  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-05-08  0:00 Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Howard Dodson
1996-05-08  0:00 ` David Weller
1996-05-08  0:00 ` Thomas C. Timberlake
1996-05-08  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
     [not found]   ` <31913863.446B9B3D@escmail.orl.mmc.com>
1996-05-10  0:00     ` Robert Munck [this message]
1996-05-13  0:00       ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-05-13  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-05-14  0:00         ` Robert Munck
1996-05-14  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1996-05-17  0:00             ` Robert Munck
1996-06-03  0:00 ` Roy M. Bell
1996-06-09  0:00   ` Peggy Byers
1996-06-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-09  0:00     ` David Weller
1996-06-10  0:00     ` James Krell
1996-06-11  0:00       ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-13  0:00           ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-14  0:00             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-15  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-17  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-20  0:00             ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25  0:00               ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-06-12  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-10  0:00     ` Paul Whittington
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-11  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-12  0:00   ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-12  0:00     ` Fergus Henderson
1996-06-13  0:00       ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-18  0:00           ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18  0:00             ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-24  0:00         ` Carl Bowman
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1996-06-14  0:00       ` Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-13  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]     ` <31DD5234.11CB@thomsoft.com>
1996-07-18  0:00       ` Front Ends (was: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?) Tom Robinson
1996-06-13  0:00 ` Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-21  0:00   ` Richard Riehle
1996-06-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Front Ends (was: Re: Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered?) Jon S Anthony
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-06-14  0:00 Is the "Ada mandate" being reconsidered? Mark Bell
1996-06-14  0:00 Mark Bell
1996-06-14  0:00 ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-06-17  0:00   ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-06-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-24  0:00   ` Michael Levasseur
1996-06-17  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-06-19  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-06-19  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-21  0:00 Bob Crispen
1996-06-25  0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-25  0:00   ` Michael Feldman
1996-06-27  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1996-06-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-01  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-06-27  0:00 ` Jim Kingdon
1996-06-27  0:00 ` Bob Crispen
1996-06-28  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-06-30  0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1996-06-30  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-06-30  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-06-30  0:00 ` Nasser Abbasi
1996-07-03  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Bob Kitzberger
1996-07-10  0:00       ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-10  0:00         ` David Emery
1996-07-11  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-15  0:00             ` Brad Balfour
1996-07-11  0:00         ` James Rhodes
1996-07-11  0:00         ` Jim Chelini
1996-07-22  0:00           ` Joe Gwinn
1996-07-12  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-07-08  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-12  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found] <nhd91w250f.fsf@paralysys>
1996-07-16  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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