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From: rajt@gco.apana.org.au (Raj Thomas)
Subject: Ada validation is virtually worthless
Date: 1996/04/06
Date: 1996-04-06T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3166f922.3484257@news.sydney.apana.org.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.828704300@schonberg

>John McCabe said
>  Machine_Code. Your response to my description of their implementation
>  was that this was precisely an improper extension. As this
>  implementation ahs been around for donkeys years, how did it get
>  through the validation process with an improper extension as obvious
>  as that?"

>Robert Dewar said
>First of all, as is clearly stated in the validation procedures document
> the approach for eliminating
>extensions is the DOC (declaration of conformance). Obviously no black
>box testing can detect extensions in a systematic way, and even examining
>the code is an impractical and ineffective way of making extensions. The
>DOC actually declares that you have no deliberate extensions.

Aah !
Let me see if I understand:
1. Validation does nothing to guarantee compiler correctness / "
bug-freeness"/ usability / object code quality
2. Validation does provide for ensuring that illegal extensions and
other crapola does not exist.
3. However, some of the techniques used for ensuring this depend on
vendor honesty eg: " the approach for eliminating
extensions is the DOC (declaration of conformance)...."
4. We all know about vendor honesty...

My conclusions:
a. Validated compliers have been validated
 ( Yes, it is a tautology and like all tautologies, of limited use.. )
b. Validation does not guarantee anything that is of great use to the
developer...
c. Validation is a useful marketing tool.
d. Validation is essential if you are marketing to the American DODo

Now it is all perfectly clear :-)
Octopus traps
summer's moonspun dreams
soon fade away.
Basho 1644




  reply	other threads:[~1996-04-06  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-03-25  0:00 Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards Kenneth Mays
1996-03-25  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-28  0:00   ` John McCabe
1996-03-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00       ` John McCabe
1996-03-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-01  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02  0:00               ` John McCabe
1996-04-02  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-02  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-04-02  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-02  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-03  0:00                     ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-04  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-04  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-05  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-10  0:00                             ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-12  0:00                     ` Philip Brashear
1996-04-12  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15  0:00                     ` Tiring Arguments Around (not about) Two Questions Ken Garlington
1996-04-15  0:00                       ` Gary McKee
1996-04-16  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-17  0:00                       ` Kenneth Almquist
1996-04-18  0:00                     ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-04-19  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22  0:00                         ` John McCabe
1996-04-23  0:00                           ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24  0:00                             ` John McCabe
1996-04-24  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26  0:00                                 ` John McCabe
1996-04-26  0:00                                 ` John McCabe
1996-04-26  0:00                                 ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-25  0:00                               ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26  0:00                               ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26  0:00                             ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-27  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22  0:00                         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-15  0:00                   ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-02  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-04-02  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-04-16  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-04-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-22  0:00                     ` John McCabe
1996-04-23  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-24  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-26  0:00                           ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-27  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-29  0:00                               ` Cordes MJ
1996-04-29  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-06  0:00                                   ` John McCabe
1996-05-06  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-05-08  0:00                                       ` John McCabe
1996-05-08  0:00                                         ` TARTAN and TI Tom Robinson
1996-05-09  0:00                                           ` Arthur Evans Jr
     [not found]                                         ` <Dr46LG.2FF@world.std.com>
1996-05-09  0:00                                           ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-05-07  0:00                                     ` Mike Cordes
1996-05-07  0:00                                     ` Mike Cordes
1996-04-10  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16  0:00                   ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-18  0:00                       ` Ken Garlington
1996-03-31  0:00         ` Geert Bosch
1996-04-01  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-01  0:00             ` Mike Young
1996-04-03  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-03-29  0:00   ` steved
1996-03-29  0:00     ` Applet Magic works great, sort of Bob Crispen
1996-03-29  0:00   ` Vince Del Vecchio
1996-04-03  0:00   ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-03  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-04  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-04  0:00       ` John McCabe
1996-04-05  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-06  0:00           ` Raj Thomas [this message]
1996-04-06  0:00             ` Ada validation is virtually worthless Robert Dewar
1996-04-08  0:00               ` Arthur Evans Jr
1996-04-07  0:00           ` Ada Core Technologies and Ada95 Standards John McCabe
1996-04-05  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-10  0:00     ` Cordes MJ
1996-04-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-15  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-16  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-16  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-04-11  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-11  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-04-19  0:00   ` Laurent Guerby
1996-04-25  0:00   ` Tiring Arguments Around (not about) Two Questions [VERY LONG] Laurent Guerby
1996-04-26  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-04-29  0:00     ` Philip Brashear
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