Re: C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada

Re: C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada

[Tuishimi]

Jon, can you summarize on the Booch Method?

"can you summarize on the Booch Method?"

[The Right Reverend Colin James III]

tuishimi@aol.com (Tuishimi) posted with deletions:

| can you summarize on the Booch Method?

I can:  terribly complicated and not easy to read.  

It, and tools purporting to support it, are not seamless or reversible
and are ambiguous, ie, a design therefrom can not be verified correct
using second-order predicate logic.  (The same goes for Rumbaugh's OMT
and the unfinished, upcoming UNIFIED, which should be named UNIFRIED.)

An anomaly of the Booch method is that anytime a new method comes
along, ie, add one to the 50 or 60 methods out there already, it can
be said that the Booch method suddenly has a stub for that newer
method as a sub-set within Booch, the mother-of-all-methods.  Hence,
avoid the plastic Booch method, and avoid the trendy, newer stuff.

In that regard, the Booch method is similar to the 'scientific'
hypothesis of evolution, whereby for each episode when a new fossil is
found and a "better" Carbon-date is derived, the whole structure of
bricks (fossils) gets raised up to accommodate the new brick which is
inserted at its base (rather than right on top).

I am very happy with Business Object Notation (BON), for which see
www.eiffel.com.  I am not going to describe BON here, because that was
not the question, and the readers of comp.lang.ada, comp.lang.c, and
comp.lang.c++ generally prefer perfect ignorance as bliss.

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Re: "can you summarize on the Booch Method?" CJIII

[Robert B. Love]

In <31262cc4.181027133@news.dimensional.com> The Right Reverend Colin
James III > not the question, and the readers of comp.lang.ada,
comp.lang.c, and
> comp.lang.c++ generally prefer perfect ignorance as bliss.
> 
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> Colin James III, Principal Scientist  cjames@cec-services.com
> CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
> Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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While the unrevered author of the quoted text prefers "Kookiness"
as shown by a majority of the voters in the January contest. 
Congrats.



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Re: "can you summarize on the Booch Method?" CJIII

[The Right Reverend Colin James III]

rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) posted with deletions:

| In <31262cc4.181027133@news.dimensional.com> The Right Reverend Colin
| James III > not the question, and the readers of comp.lang.ada,
| comp.lang.c, and
| > comp.lang.c++ generally prefer perfect ignorance as bliss.
| > 
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| > Colin James III, Principal Scientist  cjames@cec-services.com
| > CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
| > Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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| 
| While the unrevered author of the quoted text prefers "Kookiness"
| as shown by a majority of the voters in the January contest. 
| Congrats.
| 
| 
| 
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You are known as an "instigator";  try getging real internet accounts
or go away.


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Re: "can you summarize on the Booch Method?" CJIII

[John Grant]

In article <312cde6d.619905456@news.dimensional.com> cjames@melchizedek.cec-services.com writes:
>rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) posted with deletions:
>
>| In <31262cc4.181027133@news.dimensional.com> The Right Reverend Colin
>| James III > not the question, and the readers of comp.lang.ada,
>| comp.lang.c, and
>| > comp.lang.c++ generally prefer perfect ignorance as bliss.
>| > 
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>| > Colin James III, Principal Scientist  cjames@cec-services.com
>| > CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
>| > Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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>| 
>| While the unrevered author of the quoted text prefers "Kookiness"
>| as shown by a majority of the voters in the January contest. 
>| Congrats.
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>You are known as an "instigator";  try getging real internet accounts
>or go away.
	You are known as an asshole. Just go away period.
-- 
John A. Grant						jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
Airborne Geophysics
Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa

John A Grant on crude language

[The Right Reverend Colin James III]

jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant) posted with deletions:


| >You are known as an "instigator";  try getging real internet accounts
| >or go away.
| 	You are known as an asshole. Just go away period.
........^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| -- 
| John A. Grant						jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
| Airborne Geophysics
| Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa

Please post your work or residential address so I can have some papers
delivered to you soon.

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Re: John A Grant on crude language

[Mickey Williams]

In article <312fb51a.805995330@news.dimensional.com>, cjames@melchizedek.cec-services.com (The Right Reverend Colin James III) says:
>
>jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant) posted with deletions:
>
>
>| >You are known as an "instigator";  try getging real internet accounts
>| >or go away.
>|       You are known as an asshole. Just go away period.
>........^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>| -- 
>| John A. Grant                                         jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
>| Airborne Geophysics
>| Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa
>
>Please post your work or residential address so I can have some papers
>delivered to you soon.
>
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>Colin James III, Principal Scientist  cjames@cec-services.com
>CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
>Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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Take your thinly veiled harrasment to email. This has nothing to do with
any of the groups you have cross-posted to, much less windows programming.

I've sent a copy of this to postmaster@dimensional.com
---
Mickey Williams     CTI, CSTA, TAPI, MFC, PLEX, MOUSE
Author - Essential Visual C++ 4
     - Develop a Professional Visual Visual C++ Application in 21 Days
     - Waite Group Press Visual C++ How-To  (Co-Author)
     - A Windows NT book to be named later  (Co-Author)

Re: John A Grant on crude language (CJIII)

[Dean Gillispie]

In article <312fb51a.805995330@news.dimensional.com>,
The Right Reverend Colin James III <cjames@melchizedek.cec-services.com> wrote:
>jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant) posted with deletions:
>
>
>| >You are known as an "instigator";  try getging real internet accounts
>| >or go away.
>| 	You are known as an asshole. Just go away period.
>........^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>| -- 
>| John A. Grant				jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
>| Airborne Geophysics
>| Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa
>
>Please post your work or residential address so I can have some papers
>delivered to you soon.

.. And this just proves that Mr. Grant is correct.  By the way, this is 
a real internet account.. :)

>
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>Colin James III, Principal Scientist  cjames@cec-services.com
>CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
>Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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Re: "can you summarize on the Booch Method?" CJIII

[Robert B. Love]

In <312cde6d.619905456@news.dimensional.com> The Right Reverend Colin
James III wrote:
> rlove@neosoft.com (Robert B. Love ) posted with deletions:
> 
> | In <31262cc4.181027133@news.dimensional.com> The Right Reverend
Colin
> | James III > not the question, and the readers of comp.lang.ada,
> | comp.lang.c, and
> | > comp.lang.c++ generally prefer perfect ignorance as bliss.

[Deleted sig]
 
> | While the unrevered author of the quoted text prefers "Kookiness"
> | as shown by a majority of the voters in the January contest. 
> | Congrats.

> You are known as an "instigator";  try getging real internet
accounts
> or go away.

Wrong again!  I'm a responder.  You make blanket statements slamming
us because we don't agree with you.  Get used to it.  Most of us don't
agree with you. 

As for my internet accounts, they're as real as it gets.  Say, you
weren't up to your old tricks of harrassing my employer or provider
were you?  And you can't figure it out.  My, you must be frustrated.

If you do reply, please make it a good flame so I can qualify for the 
T-Shirt.


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Re: "can you summarize on the Booch Method?" CJIII

[Andrew Dalgleish]

Robert B. Love wrote:
> If you do reply, please make it a good flame so I can qualify for the
> T-Shirt.


What T-shirt?
Am I missing out?
How/where do I apply?

-- 
Andrew Dalgleish