From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Communications of ACM: Sir, Please Step Away from the ASR-33!
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:45:48 +0100
Date: 2010-12-27T18:45:45+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2wdtj08oj266.110r9wczu0lfb.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 878vzbwa61.fsf@hugsarin.sparre-andersen.dk
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:41:10 +0100, Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
> Michael R wrote:
>
>> There's a note in November's Communications of the ACM titled "Sir,
>> Please Step Away from the ASR-33!" with the sub-title "To move forward
>> with programming languages we must first break free from the tyranny
>> of ASCII".
>>
>> It's interesting that Ada has already stepped away from ASCII. Many of
>> the test cases for my ZanyBlue.Text localization support library
>> contain non-ASCII source, e.g., a test enumeration with identifiers
>> containing Greek characters:
>
> This is definitely a small step in the right direction. But I don't
> think it is anywhere as far at Poul-Henning Kamp would like it to go. I
> have the impression that as long as our source files are only defined as
> a sequence of characters, we aren't there yet. I'm a bit scared by the
> thought of a source code being defined both at the file level (for
> compatibility) and as a 2D (3D?) visual structure (for editing and
> inspection).
Historically syntax was understood as a spoken language concept.
Biologically the only way spoken language can exist is as a sequence of
elements, i.e. 1D.
A machine language theoretically need not to be spoken. But practically
nobody managed to come with anything universally usable at 2D level.
I think the way our brain processes images excludes 2D representations. 3D
is biologically excluded because our vision is basically 2D.
There is a simple criterion to determine which syntax has future and which
does not: the search engine test. Can you search for image content? You
cannot, you can only for words describing images. There are many reasons
why you cannot. I can name a mathematical one, 2D sets lack order.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2010-12-15 22:09 Communications of ACM: Sir, Please Step Away from the ASR-33! Michael R
2010-12-15 22:36 ` Florian Weimer
2010-12-17 0:53 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-12-31 14:26 ` Florian Weimer
2010-12-27 14:41 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2010-12-27 16:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-27 17:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2010-12-27 18:41 ` Niklas Holsti
2010-12-27 20:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-28 9:32 ` Niklas Holsti
2010-12-28 10:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-28 11:01 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-28 12:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-28 13:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-28 13:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-28 15:41 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-28 16:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-29 12:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-29 14:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-29 16:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-29 17:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-29 19:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-29 23:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-30 18:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-30 19:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-30 22:05 ` Simon Wright
2010-12-31 9:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-29 13:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-29 14:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-28 14:39 ` Simon Wright
2010-12-29 12:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-30 15:00 ` Marco
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