* [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant @ 2004-10-05 19:16 Chris Humphries 2004-10-05 19:36 ` Georg Bauhaus ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Chris Humphries @ 2004-10-05 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Systems Software Research is Irrelevant by Rob Pike of Bell Laboratories "Systems software research has become a sideline to the excitement in the computing industry." http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/175/ It is an interesting read :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-05 19:16 [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant Chris Humphries @ 2004-10-05 19:36 ` Georg Bauhaus 2004-10-06 16:30 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 2004-10-05 23:13 ` Björn Persson 2004-10-06 13:41 ` Marc A. Criley 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2004-10-05 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Chris Humphries <chris@unixfu.net> wrote: : Systems Software Research is Irrelevant : by Rob Pike of Bell Laboratories [... ] : It is an interesting read :) And Plan 9 is an interesting experience. I wish those who write Windows programs (or bindings) would have had this experience :) -- Georg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-05 19:36 ` Georg Bauhaus @ 2004-10-06 16:30 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 2004-10-06 17:33 ` Marius Amado Alves 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2004-10-06 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Georg Bauhaus wrote: > Chris Humphries <chris@unixfu.net> wrote: > : Systems Software Research is Irrelevant > : by Rob Pike of Bell Laboratories > > [... ] > : It is an interesting read :) > > And Plan 9 is an interesting experience. I wish those who > write Windows programs (or bindings) would have had this > experience :) > -- Georg I have Plan 9 on my "to do" list, but one of the things that puts me off is that likelyhood of no GNAT compiler. Does anyone know if there has been a plan 9 porting effort of GNAT? If there was, plan 9's priority on my to do list would certainly change ;-) -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-06 16:30 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2004-10-06 17:33 ` Marius Amado Alves 2004-10-06 19:41 ` Georg Bauhaus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Marius Amado Alves @ 2004-10-06 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote: > I have Plan 9 on my "to do" list, but one of the things > that puts me off is that likelyhood of no GNAT compiler. You just described my position :-) > Does anyone know if there has been a plan 9 porting effort > of GNAT? If there was, plan 9's priority on my to do list > would certainly change ;-) Sometime ago I went as far as putting an entry in the "TODO" page in the plan9 wiki. Now that there is two of us maybe the project will hobble forward a bit more. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-06 17:33 ` Marius Amado Alves @ 2004-10-06 19:41 ` Georg Bauhaus 2004-10-07 16:23 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2004-10-06 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Marius Amado Alves <amado.alves@netcabo.pt> wrote: : Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote: :> I have Plan 9 on my "to do" list, but one of the things :> that puts me off is that likelyhood of no GNAT compiler. : : You just described my position :-) I think you might be impressed with how you operate the system, even when not using a compiler at all. It's a different perspective, it looks and feels different. A valuable source of ideas I think. (There are some programming languages, including a cleaned up and extended C, aleph, some functional languages, ...) -- Georg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-06 19:41 ` Georg Bauhaus @ 2004-10-07 16:23 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2004-10-07 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Georg Bauhaus wrote: > Marius Amado Alves <amado.alves@netcabo.pt> wrote: > : Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote: > :> I have Plan 9 on my "to do" list, but one of the things > :> that puts me off is that likelyhood of no GNAT compiler. > : > : You just described my position :-) > > I think you might be impressed with how you operate the system, even > when not using a compiler at all. It's a different perspective, > it looks and feels different. A valuable source of ideas I think. > (There are some programming languages, including a cleaned up and > extended C, aleph, some functional languages, ...) I have already examined the ideas and strengths of the O/S, and have already been suitably impressed -- but as a person who likes to write code in Ada, I _still_ need an Ada compiler. aleph et al can be interesting too, but this is academic to my needs (ok for idle curiosity). But an O/S that I won't develop for (for lack of Ada), doesn't work for me. But perhaps as Marius Amado Alves has suggested, perhaps some feeble attempt at compiling GNAT there someday is just a tiny bit closer ;-) -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-05 19:16 [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant Chris Humphries 2004-10-05 19:36 ` Georg Bauhaus @ 2004-10-05 23:13 ` Björn Persson 2004-10-06 11:51 ` Chris Humphries 2004-10-06 13:41 ` Marc A. Criley 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Björn Persson @ 2004-10-05 23:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Rob Pike wrote: > The Web has dominated how systems present and use information: > the model is forced interaction; the user must go get it. Let's > go back to having the data come to the user instead. Huh? Did he suggest to replace the Web with spam?! Or TV?? -- Björn Persson PGP key A88682FD omb jor ers @sv ge. r o.b n.p son eri nu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-05 23:13 ` Björn Persson @ 2004-10-06 11:51 ` Chris Humphries 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Chris Humphries @ 2004-10-06 11:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Bj�rn Persson wrote: > Rob Pike wrote: > >> The Web has dominated how systems present and use information: > > > the model is forced interaction; the user must go get it. Let's > > go back to having the data come to the user instead. > > Huh? Did he suggest to replace the Web with spam?! Or TV?? > I think the point is that it hasn't even been thought of. Of course it not being offensive to the user would be a primary concern. I do not know of any geek that would advocate spam. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-05 19:16 [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant Chris Humphries 2004-10-05 19:36 ` Georg Bauhaus 2004-10-05 23:13 ` Björn Persson @ 2004-10-06 13:41 ` Marc A. Criley 2004-10-06 18:06 ` Jeffrey Carter 2 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Marc A. Criley @ 2004-10-06 13:41 UTC (permalink / raw) "Chris Humphries" <chris@unixfu.net> wrote: > Systems Software Research is Irrelevant > by Rob Pike of Bell Laboratories > > "Systems software research has become a sideline to the excitement in > the computing industry." > > http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/175/ > > It is an interesting read :) Yes, it is. And it concisely sums up why I find ACM's journal, "Communications of the ACM" just a complete waste of paper: "Mostly, though, it's just a lot of measurement, a misinterpretation and misapplication of the scientific method. "Too much phenomenology: invention has been replaced by observation. Today we see papers comparing interrupt latency on Linux vs. Windows. They may be interesting, they may even be relevant, but they aren't research. "In a misguided attempt to seem scientific, there's too much measurement: performance minutiae and bad charts." I finished up last month's CACM (which means flipping through it trying to find something, anything of interest) and once again it's chock full of surveys, survey protocols, and plans for conducting further surveys. Not to pick on ACM, though, since their other magazine, Queue, is everything that CACM is not: interesting, relevant, and an enjoyable read. Marc A. Criley McKae Technologies www.mckae.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Systems Software Research is Irrelevant 2004-10-06 13:41 ` Marc A. Criley @ 2004-10-06 18:06 ` Jeffrey Carter 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Carter @ 2004-10-06 18:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Marc A. Criley wrote: > I finished up last month's CACM (which means flipping through it > trying to find something, anything of interest) and once again it's > chock full of surveys, survey protocols, and plans for conducting > further surveys. Right. One of the articles is on how to measure web filtering software. It has nothing whatever to do with computing, computer science, or SW engineering. I considered writing a letter pointing out the similarity of this article to one on how to measure the effectiveness of human librarians at keeping certain books out of the hands of minors, but what's the point? CACM exists as a peer-reviewed journal for academics who would otherwise perish. -- Jeff Carter "Death awaits you all, with nasty, big, pointy teeth!" Monty Python & the Holy Grail 20 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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