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From: Steve Jones - JON <jon@hpodid2.eurocontrol.fr>
Subject: Re: Any research putting c above ada?
Date: 1997/04/11
Date: 1997-04-11T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2senchydgk.fsf@hpodid2.eurocontrol.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: u912rj925.fsf@kastle.com


haggedk1@ulysses.jhuapl.edu (CubanPete) writes:

[snip]
> Come on now Phil.  There is no language that produces software that
> works "more right" than another.  Software is either right or it is
> not.   Ada may have a great debugger but VMS types will argue all day
> about how much better the debuger is on the VAX but I dont see tons of
> UNIX folks in VMS classes.
On my last project we use C and Ada, the bug count in the Ada code was
over 1/3 that of the C code. And tracking down bugs in Ada is much easier,
the code falls over it tells you the brief reason (eg constraint error) and
the line at which the error was raised and the stack trace.  You can then add
exception handlers et al to secure the system. It provides in built range
checking and strong typing.

In C assigning to an unitialised pointer will cause either a crash or
wild behaviour and never tell you, in Ada it will crash and tell you why.
In Ada you can restrict the user from assigning between incompatible types,
you can data hide etc etc.

The bug count and cost of Ada is much less than that of C, just because some
of the bugs that occur regularly in C (int a[10]; a[10] = 4; anyone ?) cannot
be done in Ada.  Both Ada and C can produce correct programs but IME it is
easier to do in Ada, the same would go for Eiffel v C++, a HLL v a MLL presents
similar advantages to a MLL over a LLL.

I know C, I know Ada and various languages besides, if I was writting a quick
check or hack I'd use C, if writting a large system I'd use Ada.  The advantage
of Ada isn't in the debugger but in the compiler, eg

C:
typedef int cleared_flight_level;
typedef int airspeed;

airspeed a = 4;
cleared_flight_level cfl = 5;

...

cfl = a;

...

This is a silly example as why would anyone _want_ to do it.  But Ada would
prevent you ever doing it.  It is here that the power comes in, with tools
like generics and a proper tasking model, decent hardware access is included
and data protection, all of these things make it harder to mess up, and easier
to check, if the range of an enumeration in C is changed a switch statement
will not care if the new value is not included, in Ada the compiler will fail
the code.

C is popular, it is quick and dirty, but I wouldn't like to trust my life to
it.

[snip]
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1997-04-09  0:00 Any research putting c above ada? Konstantin B. Goldin
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Thomas Aho
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Bob Stout
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-10  0:00 ` Richard Krehbiel
1997-04-10  0:00   ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-04-10  0:00   ` Philip Brashear
1997-04-10  0:00     ` CubanPete
1997-04-11  0:00       ` John Thomas Apa
1997-04-10  0:00   ` Tom Wheeley
1997-04-11  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1997-04-16  0:00     ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-17  0:00     ` Stephen Leake
1997-04-11  0:00   ` Gary W Smith
1997-04-11  0:00   ` Steve Jones - JON [this message]
1997-04-11  0:00     ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-12  0:00       ` Tom Wheeley
     [not found]       ` <01bc46be$fb54cae0$3f6700cf@default>
1997-04-13  0:00         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-14  0:00           ` Craig Franck
1997-04-14  0:00       ` Roy Grimm
     [not found]       ` <33526cbf.41c6@cca.rockwell.com>
     [not found]         ` <5iusvd$118e@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>
1997-04-14  0:00           ` James S. Rogers
     [not found]           ` <3353a187.1062@bix.com>
1997-04-16  0:00             ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-17  0:00               ` Tom Moran
     [not found]               ` <33545F8D.2AF4@worldnet.att.net>
     [not found]                 ` <335569F1.55A0@pratique.fr>
1997-04-20  0:00                   ` Nick Roberts
     [not found]           ` <33541be1.14961570@news.airmail.net>
1997-04-16  0:00             ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-16  0:00               ` Dale Stanbrough
     [not found]           ` <33530e22.5940@worldnet.att.net>
1997-04-16  0:00             ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-18  0:00               ` Kenneth Almquist
1997-04-20  0:00                 ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-22  0:00                   ` Alan Brain
     [not found]                   ` <335d880c.324@dynamite.com.au>
1997-05-04  0:00                     ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-05  0:00                       ` Alan Brain
     [not found]                       ` <336ea9ca.3c92@dynamite.com.au>
1997-05-07  0:00                         ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-06  0:00                           ` Tom Moran
1997-05-07  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-07  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]                           ` <5aedd9b0882ea1bf.69856d7f77cd2ae3.229bf1374681c88b@library-proxy.airnews.net>
1997-05-10  0:00                             ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-10  0:00                               ` Robert S. White
1997-05-11  0:00                               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-16  0:00                               ` brad.balfour
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` T Wheeley
1997-04-19  0:00               ` Tom Wheeley
     [not found]         ` <5j0e5i$qgi@bcrkh13.bnr.ca>
1997-04-16  0:00           ` Matthew Givens
     [not found]           ` <5j4ijn$3ta1@news.knox.edu>
1997-04-17  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-18  0:00               ` Tim Behrendsen
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1997-04-20  0:00             ` Steve Doiel
1997-04-20  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1997-04-21  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-11  0:00     ` Terry Colligan
1997-04-11  0:00       ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-04-12  0:00         ` Terry Colligan
     [not found]     ` <3359e813.340466234@news.pacificnet.net>
1997-04-11  0:00       ` James S. Rogers
1997-04-12  0:00         ` Danette & Murray Root
1997-04-12  0:00         ` Steve Summit
1997-04-12  0:00       ` Dave Wood
1997-04-13  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]         ` <3373409f.494266577@news.pacificnet.net>
1997-04-13  0:00           ` Dave Wood
     [not found]             ` <E8pxJ0.I3s@thomsoft.com>
     [not found]               ` <3355E0F2.56E5@aonix.com>
1997-04-18  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-04-20  0:00                   ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-14  0:00           ` Stephen Leake
1997-04-14  0:00           ` Robert S. White
1997-04-14  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-15  0:00               ` Robert S. White
     [not found]                 ` <5ivtcu$puv@huron.eel.ufl.edu>
1997-04-16  0:00                   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-16  0:00                     ` Byron
1997-04-16  0:00                       ` John Winters
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1997-04-17  0:00                       ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-18  0:00                       ` David Thornley
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1997-04-25  0:00                           ` Alan Bowler
     [not found]                     ` <01bc4da9$75237100$f4f582c1@xhv46.dial.pipex.com>
1997-04-21  0:00                       ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-14  0:00           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-12  0:00       ` David Weller
1997-04-13  0:00       ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-27  0:00         ` Richard Riehle
1997-04-29  0:00           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Roy Grimm
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00                 ` Jay Martin
1997-05-02  0:00                   ` Samuel A. Mize
1997-05-05  0:00                     ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-06  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-07  0:00                         ` Jay Martin
1997-05-07  0:00                           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08  0:00                             ` Jay Martin
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-09  0:00                             ` Alan Brain
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-09  0:00                             ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-11  0:00                       ` deafen
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-01  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1997-05-01  0:00                   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-02  0:00                     ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-02  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-05  0:00                         ` Steve Furlong
1997-05-06  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-06  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-06  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-05-14  0:00                         ` T Wheeley
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-10  0:00                   ` Fritz W Feuerbacher
1997-05-11  0:00                     ` Wilbur Streett
1997-05-12  0:00                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-20  0:00                       ` T Wheeley
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-03  0:00                   ` Student responsability (Was: Any research putting c above ada?) Laurent Gasser
1997-05-03  0:00                     ` John Bode
1997-05-05  0:00                     ` Steven Huang
1997-05-05  0:00                   ` Any research putting c above ada? John Apa
1997-05-06  0:00                     ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-06  0:00                       ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-07  0:00                         ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                           ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-07  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-08  0:00                             ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-08  0:00                               ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-08  0:00                                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-09  0:00                                 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-10  0:00                                   ` Dan Shea
1997-05-11  0:00                                     ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                         ` John Apa
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Roy Grimm
1997-05-08  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-10  0:00                             ` John Apa
1997-05-11  0:00                               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-14  0:00                                 ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-08  0:00                       ` Alan Brain
1997-05-07  0:00                     ` Adam Beneschan
1997-05-09  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-05-09  0:00                     ` Larry Weiss
1997-05-11  0:00                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-11  0:00                         ` Jay Martin
1997-05-12  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` Craig Franck
1997-05-12  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-13  0:00                             ` Craig Franck
1997-05-13  0:00                               ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-05-14  0:00                                 ` Mathew Hendry
     [not found]                           ` <F4243E31257E3230.1400B453F19F7D1B.A88AC4B6A31D <5l8gf8$2jp@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>
1997-05-13  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-13  0:00                               ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-05-14  0:00                               ` T Wheeley
1997-05-15  0:00                               ` Ray Blaak
1997-05-16  0:00                                 ` Alan Brain
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1997-05-14  0:00                           ` Jonathan Guthrie
1997-05-14  0:00                             ` Szu-Wen Huang
1997-05-15  0:00                               ` Jonathan Guthrie
     [not found]                             ` <EA8sny.HKJ@thinkage.on.ca>
1997-05-16  0:00                               ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
     [not found]                     ` <rayEA5A7D.932@netcom.com>
1997-05-14  0:00                       ` W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1997-05-14  0:00                       ` Steve Jones - JON
1997-05-17  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-14  0:00                     ` M. Prasad
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Jay Martin
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-05  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1997-05-06  0:00                     ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-01  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-02  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-03  0:00                   ` Craig Franck
1997-05-03  0:00                 ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-03  0:00                   ` Robert S. White
     [not found]       ` <33508283.56dd@aonix.com>
     [not found]         ` <33526280.62b3@gsfc.nasa.gov>
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1997-04-16  0:00             ` Matthew Givens
     [not found]               ` <m2ragbrmij.fsf@acm.org>
1997-04-20  0:00                 ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-11  0:00   ` James Youngman
1997-04-11  0:00     ` Steve Summit
1997-04-12  0:00       ` Dave Wood
1997-04-14  0:00         ` Chris Lomont
1997-04-16  0:00           ` Dave Wood
1997-04-14  0:00   ` Alan Brain
1997-04-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-14  0:00 ` Steve Jones - JON
1997-04-14  0:00   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-15  0:00   ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-20  0:00     ` Alan Brain
     [not found]     ` <335ae79e.55ed@dynamite.com.au>
1997-04-20  0:00       ` Matthew Givens
1997-04-28  0:00         ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-04-29  0:00           ` Matthew Givens
1997-05-06  0:00             ` Andrew Dunstan
1997-05-07  0:00               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-07  0:00                 ` Jeff Carter
1997-05-07  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-08  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-09  0:00                   ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-09  0:00                     ` John G. Volan
1997-05-11  0:00                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-12  0:00                         ` John G. Volan
1997-05-13  0:00                         ` Alan Brain
1997-05-14  0:00                           ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-16  0:00                             ` Alan Brain
1997-05-17  0:00                               ` Dale Stanbrough
1997-05-17  0:00                               ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-17  0:00                                 ` John G. Volan
1997-05-18  0:00                                   ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-18  0:00                                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-18  0:00                                       ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-19  0:00                                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-19  0:00                                         ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-19  0:00                                     ` John G. Volan
1997-05-20  0:00                                       ` Kevin Cline
1997-05-20  0:00                                         ` Jeff Carter
1997-05-21  0:00                                       ` Alan Brain
1997-05-21  0:00                                       ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-21  0:00                                         ` STL in Ada95 [was: Any research putting c above ada?] John G. Volan
1997-05-22  0:00                                           ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-23  0:00                                             ` Iterator Syntax [was: Re: STL in Ada95] Jeff Carter
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` Michel Gauthier
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` John G. Volan
1997-05-23  0:00                                               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-22  0:00                                           ` STL in Ada95 [was: Any research putting c above ada?] Brian Rogoff
1997-05-23  0:00                                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-24  0:00                                               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-05-12  0:00                       ` Any research putting c above ada? Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00           ` Daniel P Hudson
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Adam Beneschan
1997-05-02  0:00               ` Daniel P Hudson
     [not found] ` <5j078b$b25$1@NNTP.MsState.Edu>
1997-04-16  0:00   ` Peter Amey
     [not found]     ` <5j31lj$qnk@huron.eel.ufl.edu>
1997-04-24  0:00       ` Suzette Norby
1997-04-25  0:00         ` Craig Franck
1997-04-28  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-29  0:00             ` Andrew Koenig
1997-04-29  0:00               ` Tom Moran
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Alan Brain
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-01  0:00                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-30  0:00             ` Craig Franck
1997-04-30  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-30  0:00                 ` Pat Rogers
1997-05-02  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-01  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-25  0:00         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-26  0:00           ` Mike Haertel
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-27  0:00             ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-28  0:00             ` Istvan.Simon
1997-04-26  0:00           ` Larry Wissig
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-04-27  0:00                 ` b-see
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-28  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-27  0:00           ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-04-17  0:00   ` Daniel P Hudson
     [not found]   ` <335458A4.4C1D@worldnet.att.net>
     [not found]     ` <5j416b$hau@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>
1997-04-18  0:00       ` Mark & Zurima McKinney
1997-04-19  0:00         ` Craig Franck
1997-04-21  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]     ` <5j30oa$ia9@bcrkh13.bnr.ca>
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1997-04-18  0:00         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-04-23  0:00       ` David Emery
1997-04-17  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-17  0:00 ` Chris Morgan
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1997-05-16  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-18  0:00         ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-19  0:00         ` Michael Norrish
1997-05-20  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20  0:00             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-20  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-05-20  0:00             ` Michael Norrish
1997-05-20  0:00               ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-05-20  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-05-20  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
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