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From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:39:14 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2009-08-14T00:39:14-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <270bf4df-4d0b-4621-9005-80ef8ab51634@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Xns9C665974FB608pcc482719gmailcom@198.186.192.137

On 13 Sie, 14:47, "Peter C. Chapin" <pcc482...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ada provides language syntax for concurrency. It feels cleaner to me than
> any of the C++ thread libraries I have used. Is that because those C++
> libraries just don't have the interface "right?" Maybe. But it might also
> be because it's just not possible to express concurrency in a nice clean
> way when using only library calls.

Right and this is the first valid argument for preferring built-in
language support over library-based API. I agree with that.
You have to, however, take into account the history differences
between these two languages. Adding the concurrency features at the
very beginning when the language is designed is more comfortable than
doing it later on. There is a general dislike for adding new reserved
words in subsequent language revisions for compatibility reasons. You
cannot break anything by adding new API in the standard namespace
(which is reserved anyway), but you can break a lot by introducing new
reserved words like "thread", "task" or "job".

You can argue that built-in support for a given feature is better for
the reasons of syntax clarity, but it could not be applied to C++
within its constraints.
I think this is a tradeoff, but the final solution is optimal for the
target community.

Note: Some time ago I have written an article on how a language-based
support for basic threading features could possibly look like in C++:

http://www.inspirel.com/articles/Possible_Syntax_For_Cpp_Threads.html

I still think that what was standardized will serve the community
better.

--
Maciej Sobczak * www.msobczak.com * www.inspirel.com

Database Access Library for Ada: www.inspirel.com/soci-ada



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-14  7:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-11 15:30 C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model? John McCabe
2009-08-11 20:51 ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-12 12:25   ` John McCabe
2009-08-12 14:51     ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-12 15:56     ` REH
2009-08-12 16:59       ` John McCabe
2009-08-12 17:21         ` REH
2009-08-12 20:41           ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-12 21:15             ` REH
2009-08-13  1:28               ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-13  2:08                 ` REH
2009-08-13  8:38                   ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-13  8:57                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-13 11:32                       ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-13 12:28                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14  1:15                           ` Brian Drummond
2009-08-14 11:24                           ` Language checks (Was: C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-08-14 12:01                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 13:33                               ` REH
2009-08-14 13:48                                 ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 14:51                                   ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 14:13                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 19:58                                   ` Language checks Robert A Duff
2009-08-15  0:10                             ` Language checks (Was: C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model?) Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14 13:10               ` C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model? Gautier write-only
2009-08-14 13:16                 ` REH
2009-08-12 21:24             ` REH
2009-08-13 13:51               ` John McCabe
2009-08-13 16:24                 ` REH
2009-08-14 11:09                   ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 13:00                     ` REH
2009-08-14 14:30                       ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 14:49                         ` REH
2009-08-14 14:54                           ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 15:35                             ` REH
2009-08-14 18:43                               ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-14 18:54                                 ` REH
2009-08-14 22:33                                   ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-15  1:15                                     ` REH
2009-08-15 14:24                                       ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-14 15:09                           ` Hyman Rosen
2009-08-14 15:12                             ` REH
2009-08-13 13:55           ` John McCabe
2009-08-13 16:45             ` REH
2009-08-14 11:14               ` John McCabe
2009-08-12 20:53         ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-11 23:53 ` jimmaureenrogers
2009-08-12  0:06   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-12  7:26   ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-12  5:29     ` stefan-lucks
2009-08-12 15:00       ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-12  9:27     ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-08-12 15:14       ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-13 12:47         ` Peter C. Chapin
2009-08-13 13:57           ` John McCabe
2009-08-14  7:39           ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2009-08-14 11:13             ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 12:23               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 12:50                 ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 13:50                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 13:58                     ` Niklas Holsti
2009-08-14 14:17                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 22:25                       ` Brian Drummond
2009-08-14 12:56             ` John McCabe
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