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From: mjsilva697@earthlink.net (Mike Silva)
Subject: Re: Faulty languages and Liability
Date: 17 Jun 2002 12:00:33 -0700
Date: 2002-06-17T19:00:34+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <27085883.0206171100.7f6f0c5e@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3D0DE5E2.5010904@mail.com

Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote in message news:<3D0DE5E2.5010904@mail.com>...

> ...it's design and specification and
> engineering errors that cause problems, not the choice of
> programming language, and I can do just as well with C++
> as I can with Ada.

So then you're asserting that choice of language has absolutely no
effect on software quality?  And you're also asserting that this is
the consensus opinion in the industry?

Coincidentally, from the currently-being-discussed Hoare paper of 1980
(discussing such security checking as array bounds checking):
"In any respectible branch of engineering, failure to observe such
elementary precautions would have long been against the law."

So, given the well-known falible nature of human programmers, if one
has the choice between well-known tools which perform many such checks
automatically, and tools which do not perform such checks
automatically, and if a falible programmer then uses tools of the
second type which contribute to a major software failure, has due
diligence been used?

Mike



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-06-17 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-16  2:10 Faulty languages and Liability David Botton
2002-06-16  3:18 ` Lyle McKennot
2002-06-16  4:58   ` Robert C. Leif
2002-06-16  4:58 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-06-16 11:52   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-16 13:07     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 14:56       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  5:00         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 13:35           ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 14:59             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 19:25               ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-19 17:18           ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 19:31             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-19 17:57           ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-16 14:33     ` David Botton
2002-06-16 18:28     ` Mike Silva
2002-06-17  0:48       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17  4:09         ` David Botton
2002-06-17 12:59           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17  7:04         ` Mike Silva
2002-06-17  8:29         ` AG
2002-06-17 13:21           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17 14:37             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17  3:16     ` Robert C. Leif
2002-06-17 13:36       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17 14:51         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 14:26           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17 15:55             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 16:29             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  5:18               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 13:10                 ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 21:27             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 20:02           ` John Kern
2002-06-18 22:17             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-19 15:47               ` John Kern
2002-06-19 18:06                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17 16:25         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 19:29           ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-19 12:58             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-17 19:00         ` Mike Silva [this message]
2002-06-17 20:27           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-17 21:07             ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  1:09             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18  4:52               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 13:49                 ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-06-18 14:15                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-19 12:35                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-19 14:20                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-20 13:50                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-20 16:53                           ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-20 18:56                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-20 15:21                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-21 17:21                           ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-06-21 22:00                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-23  4:50                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-23  9:13                                 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-06-23 10:29                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-23 13:21                                     ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-06-23 18:24                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-23 19:27                                 ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-24  2:50                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-24 14:05                                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-06-18  6:14             ` Mike Silva
2002-06-18  8:53             ` newsfraser
2002-06-18 19:33               ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-18 12:49             ` Steve O'Neill
2002-06-18 13:49               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-17 19:00         ` Mike Silva
2002-06-17 20:38           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18  3:45             ` Mike Silva
2002-06-18 15:11               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 15:54                 ` chris.danx
2002-06-18 18:01                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 17:12                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17  7:34     ` AG
2002-06-18 21:17       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-16 22:26 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-17 14:38 ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18  8:57 ` chris.danx
2002-06-19  0:34   ` tmoran
2002-06-19 20:28 ` Mike Silva
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