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From: mjsilva697@earthlink.net (Mike Silva)
Subject: Re: Have you ever had a bug caused by...
Date: 20 Oct 2001 18:09:23 -0700
Date: 2001-10-21T01:09:23+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <27085883.0110201709.4b4047b2@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3BD1CA15.6492D999@linuxchip.demon.co.uk

Dr Adrian Wrigley <amtw@linuxchip.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3BD1CA15.6492D999@linuxchip.demon.co.uk>...
> Mike Silva wrote:
> > Have you ever had a bug caused by accessing off the end of an array?
> >...
> > Have you ever had a bug caused by a variable getting set to a value
> > outside its designed range?
> 
> These are occasionally the *cause* of a bug.  But more often they
> are the *effect* of a bug. (Maybe it's just semantics, but I
> think of some items on the list as the result of bugs, not the cause)
> 
> In C, execution problems can arise due to a bug, and things collapse
> much later, leading to much confusion and wasted time.
> 
> In Ada, execution usually fails much earlier because of range checking,
> leading the programmer to focus on the relevant part of the code.
> This proximity of cause and effect is a big help debugging Ada.

I agree that some of the list items are the result, not the cause, of
a bug; but as you say, Ada will help by screaming bloody murder much
more quickly.  I was taking some liberties with the language -- maybe
somebody can think of a more accurate but still snappy formulation.

Mike



  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-21  1:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-20  1:14 Have you ever had a bug caused by Mike Silva
2001-10-20  1:44 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-20  2:12   ` James Rogers
2001-10-20  9:15     ` Robert*
2001-10-20 11:20       ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-10-20 11:30         ` Matthew Woodcraft
2001-10-20 12:39           ` Robert*
2001-10-20 13:09           ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-10-20 21:21         ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-22 15:58     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-20 19:07 ` Dr Adrian Wrigley
2001-10-21  1:09   ` Mike Silva [this message]
2001-10-21 12:05     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-22 14:48 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-22 17:03   ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-22 17:22     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-23  6:13   ` Mike Silva
2001-10-22 21:49 ` David Bolen
2001-10-22 22:14   ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-23  0:52     ` Robert*
2001-10-23 13:30       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-25  9:45         ` John English
2001-10-25 15:23           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-25 18:17             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-25 15:36           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-25 16:09       ` Simon Wright
2001-10-25  2:16     ` David Bolen
2001-10-23  6:26   ` Mike Silva
2001-10-23  9:40     ` mike
2001-10-23 10:09       ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-23 13:48         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-23 15:45           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-23 17:08             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-04 11:09               ` Harri J Haataja
2001-10-24 12:44             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-24 18:55               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-24 19:34                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-26  4:18                   ` (Off topic:) Quality Anders Wirzenius
2001-10-25  9:36 ` Have you ever had a bug caused by John English
2001-10-25 15:41   ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-25 17:57     ` Have you ever had a bug OOPS Wes Groleau
2001-11-13  2:07       ` David Thompson
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