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From: Martin Krischik <krischik@users.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: volatile vs aliased
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:33:06 +0200
Date: 2005-10-07T08:33:06+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21305827.4TOYkjRP7N@linux1.krischik.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1128598604.142021.239190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Rolf wrote:

> Martin Krischik wrote:
>> Ludovic Brenta wrote:
>>
>> > pragma Volatile (Variable) says the compiler must not optimise away
>> > any reads or writes to that variable, and that it may not add extra
>> > reads or writes beyond those you explicitly request in your program
>> > text.  You want to use that for hardware registers, where a "read"
>> > operation may have a side effect such as changing the device's state.
>>
>> Interesting! So with  pragma Volatile (X) the following two statements
>> are not the same:
>>
>> Y := X * X;
>> Y := X ** 2;
> 
> Do we have a difference to C/C++ increment operator here? consider
> 
> pragma Volatile (x);
> x := x + 1;   -- (1)
>         vs.
> x++;          -- (2)
> 
> In the Ada case (1) we are forced to have "read from memory",
> "increment" and "write to memory" instructions, whereas in C/C++ (2)
> you can get a single "increment memory" instruction (presuming the
> mentioned assembler instructions exist on a given processor)

Well, all machine code I have seen so far only have a INC for registers. And
if you think for it for a sec.: It can't be another way, even if there is a
INC for memory the CPU still has to read the memory increment internally
write back.

The truth is that x++ is a cheat and has allways been. x++ only exists
because it needs less memory to implement then a peep hole optimiser and -
in the light of modern CPU with powerfull MMUs and triple cache - without
any effect anyway.

Martin
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-10-07  6:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-05 15:22 volatile vs aliased REH
2005-10-05 18:22 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05 18:39   ` REH
2005-10-05 19:46     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05 20:02       ` REH
2005-10-05 20:11         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05 20:20           ` REH
2005-10-06  5:21             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-10-05 20:55       ` Simon Wright
2005-10-06 18:32       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-05 23:38   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-10-06  0:02     ` tmoran
2005-10-06 13:40     ` REH
2005-10-06 23:52       ` Randy Brukardt
2005-10-06 18:40     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-10-06 19:37       ` Robert A Duff
2005-10-06 23:56         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-10-06 19:08     ` REH
2005-10-06 19:21       ` Ed Falis
2005-10-06 19:37         ` REH
2005-10-06 19:46       ` Robert A Duff
2005-10-06  8:05   ` Martin Krischik
2005-10-06  8:52     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-10-06 11:36     ` Rolf
2005-10-06 18:43       ` Björn Persson
2005-10-06 19:03         ` Niklas Holsti
2005-10-07  6:36         ` Martin Krischik
2005-10-07  6:33       ` Martin Krischik [this message]
2005-10-07 15:56         ` Adrian Knoth
2005-10-07 18:48           ` Martin Krischik
2005-10-07 22:44           ` REH
2005-10-08  6:10         ` Simon Wright
2005-10-17  2:16         ` Dave Thompson
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