From: "Dan'l Miller" <optikos@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Why are Ada compilers difficult to write ?
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2018-06-25T08:33:00-07:00 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <584564c2-9f64-4965-b045-535cdaf899c0@googlegroups.com>
On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 4:33:38 PM UTC-5, Vincent wrote:
> Dear Ada programers,
>
> I have often heard that Ada compilers where expensive because they are very difficult to write, compared to
> Pascal or C ones. So my question is : what in the Ada language poses problem to a compiler ? What are the
> challenges ? Where can I find documentation about that ?
The commit history alone of GNAT, Clang, and Flang is where empirical data (e.g., size of source code; intertwinedness of source code; burstiness of change; number of key mastermind contributors; defect rate) can be harvested for an academic paper that explores this topic, to see whether Ada is any more complicated or any larger at all than other modern quite-evolved programming languages: modern C++ and modern Fortran especially. Even deeper analytics could compare the open-source repositories to their corresponding language-standard documents to measure difficulty of implementing certain features.
I suspect that the answer is that all programming languages become the same enormous size and same complexity given enough decades of ISO standardization or design-by-committee analogue thereof. What differs is what each committee/community expended their energies & diligence & tenacity on.
Benevolent-dictators-for-life languages likely have far less sprawl over the decades, but likely fall into 2 size/complexity categories:
1) kiss-principle (keep it simple, stupid) languages that evolve relatively little over the period of decades (Yukihiro Matsumoto's Ruby seems to be an example of this category.)
versus
2) conquer-new-dominions languages that convulse every decade or so to reinvent themselves to do something entirely out-of-scope for their earlier eras/convulsions. (Larry Wall's Perl6 seems to be an example of this category.)
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2018-06-19 21:33 Why are Ada compilers difficult to write ? Vincent
2018-06-19 21:43 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-19 22:11 ` Lucretia
2018-06-24 17:33 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-24 17:39 ` Lucretia
2018-06-19 22:01 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-19 22:18 ` Lucretia
2018-06-21 14:02 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-21 17:20 ` Lucretia
2018-06-19 22:17 ` Lucretia
2018-06-19 22:34 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 13:01 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-20 8:33 ` gautier_niouzes
2018-06-20 15:54 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-06-20 17:54 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 18:18 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 18:58 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-20 19:37 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 19:39 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 19:50 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-20 21:26 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-27 14:19 ` Olivier Henley
2018-06-27 15:34 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-27 16:26 ` Olivier Henley
2018-06-27 16:50 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-27 17:53 ` Olivier Henley
2018-06-27 18:49 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-28 11:54 ` Mehdi Saada
2018-06-29 3:34 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-29 16:36 ` G. B.
2018-06-29 17:02 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-21 10:44 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2018-06-21 12:45 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-21 21:08 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-21 21:42 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-21 22:01 ` Simon Wright
2018-06-21 23:04 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 0:20 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 3:41 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-29 21:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-22 3:44 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-22 21:57 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 23:15 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-23 1:03 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-23 1:49 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-23 2:54 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-23 14:48 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-06-23 14:41 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-06-25 5:55 ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-29 21:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-22 3:31 ` Paul Rubin
2018-06-22 16:44 ` antispam
2018-06-22 13:11 ` Lucretia
2018-06-22 17:10 ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-22 18:00 ` Lucretia
2018-06-25 5:48 ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-25 8:46 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-25 13:23 ` Lucretia
2018-06-25 17:24 ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-25 14:59 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-25 17:32 ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-29 21:26 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-23 5:56 ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-23 12:44 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-23 16:14 ` Shark8
2018-06-23 18:12 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-23 18:47 ` Shark8
2018-06-23 19:35 ` Simon Wright
2018-06-25 8:51 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-06-24 13:41 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-25 6:04 ` Simon Clubley
2018-06-25 6:31 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2018-06-25 13:27 ` Lucretia
2018-06-25 20:07 ` Dirk Craeynest
2018-06-28 12:08 ` Vincent
2018-06-28 12:21 ` Simon Wright
2018-06-28 12:24 ` Luke A. Guest
2018-06-28 12:41 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-28 14:43 ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-28 18:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 21:35 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-29 21:29 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-21 17:42 ` Pascal Obry
2018-06-21 20:18 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 5:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2018-06-22 7:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-22 11:46 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 12:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-22 12:35 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-06-22 15:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-06-29 21:43 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-06-25 15:33 ` Dan'l Miller [this message]
2018-10-01 18:09 ` Tucker Taft
2018-10-01 18:51 ` Lucretia
2018-10-02 12:58 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-10-02 14:23 ` Lucretia
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