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From: David Botton <david@botton.com>
Subject: Future of Ada volunteer efforts
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:03:43 -0400
Date: 2004-10-03T15:03:43-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2004100315034364440%david@bottoncom> (raw)
In-Reply-To: pys7d.160558$D%.7859@attbi_s51

I thank you for the kind words the mean a lot to me.

There are things though the Ada community should have been doing and 
could be doing to make volunteer efforts and the Ada community as a 
whole more apealing, inspiring and vibrant. (perhaps this should be on 
the SigAda TEAM-ADA list instead of here, but any ways)

While I did do (no one ever closed any doors even if I haven't done 
anything for some time, so I guess in a sense "do") some consulting 
work in the Ada world for ACT my billing habits (or lack of billing) 
with them will confirm that I never did Ada work "for the money". 
Neither do most of the Ada folks that frequent/frequented C.L.A or 
create open source projects (even if it is their source of "money"). 
There is something else that makes most of us  "tick" and it is 
emotional not rational.

The problem with that is that to cultivate it requires a sensativity 
that frequently has been lacking amongst us for both good and bad.

The good is that those that hold on are the cream of the crop, some of 
the best minds in software I've met are/were here on CLA, other lists, 
or at the SigAda conference I spoke at some time ago.

The bad is that lack of sensativity leads to outside people "seeing" 
Ada as a bunch of has beens that are stroking each others egos for what 
they once did with no future path to recognition and inclusion. That 
doesn't mean to say that it is the case, but that the perception is 
that people that are active in a public way on the net for Ada are not 
in the limelight. The result is a public perception problem for those 
outside of the old circles.

If SigAda conferences included things like public recognition for the 
latest new inovcations, a $10 plaque for people making efforts in the 
past year not many years before, it would be a start... A student 
learning Ada in school that participated in a public project that then 
got recognition at a conference... now that is better than gold.

If a young programmer thought that one day he could be honored by the 
old guard it goes a long way to getting volunteer efforts and Ada 
vibrant on the net.

I know that the kinds words from Tucker Taft and a hand shake from him 
after my presentation meant a huge amount to me, but the lack of 
recognition of AdaPower or any one elses volunteer projects from a 
lecturn or in any other way by others also meant something.

I know that I am an egostical self serving fool who failed to get his 
foot in the door enough to stay in and whose inabilities to find time 
to contribute as a result will eventually disapear, but my perceptions 
may come in handy even if damning to myself to perhaps turn something 
like SigAda, CLA and the Ada community in to an organization that is 
recruiting the up and coming "youth" of the industry in to Ada instead 
of just touting the rational strengths of the language that most people 
in the public don't even care about.

Of course, if Robert Dewar was still on CLA he would likely argue that 
this angle is not important and in many ways I know he is correct, but 
my gut still tells me otherwise.

David Botton



On 2004-10-02 03:13:25 -0400, tmoran@acm.org said:

>>> By the way, did somebody already try to contact David Botton on this
>>> issue?
>> I have tried to reach him; I get no responses to my e-mail messages;
>> he is apparently not making any attempt to read his e-mail.
>   The newest files on www.adapower.com appear to be dated a year ago.
> I think David should be greatly thanked for all the work he did.  It
> is unreasonable to expect anyone to continue donating substantial time
> to the Ada community for nothing forever.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-03 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-29  2:48 GWindows and a future home for it Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-29  2:53 ` stephane richard
2004-09-29  7:20   ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 12:40 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-29 15:21   ` stephane richard
2004-09-29 19:12     ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-30  0:03 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-30  1:39   ` stephane richard
2004-09-30  3:29   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
     [not found]     ` <mailman.141.1096581654.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org>
2004-09-30 23:32       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01  1:28     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-01  1:39       ` stephane richard
2004-10-01  6:43       ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
     [not found]     ` <umzz75se6.fsf@acm.org>
2004-10-01 10:48       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-01 14:49         ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-01 15:39           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-01 15:50             ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 16:25               ` Chris Humphries
2004-10-01 17:09                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-21 17:12                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-21 18:02                     ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries (was: GWindows and a future home for it) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-21 21:11                       ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-22  2:36                       ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries (was: GWindows and a future home for it) David Botton
2004-10-02  2:01             ` GWindows and a future home for it Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-30 14:40   ` Nick Roberts
2004-09-30 15:22     ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 19:52       ` Nick Roberts
2004-09-30 16:55     ` tmoran
2004-09-30 22:17   ` Stephen McNeill
2004-09-30 22:48     ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 16:34   ` Björn Persson
2004-10-01 16:58   ` AndreS
2004-10-01 18:08     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-01 18:16       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 23:20         ` tmoran
2004-10-02  0:45         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-10-03 17:23           ` David Botton
2004-10-04 22:10         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 18:40       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-03 22:45         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-04 13:01           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-04 21:05             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-06 10:13               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 13:15                 ` David Botton
2004-10-06 14:35                   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 15:07                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 17:04                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 17:53                         ` Licenses and physical things Björn Persson
2004-10-06 18:02                         ` GWindows and a future home for it Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 18:39                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 18:58                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-06 19:20                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 20:30                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 21:28                               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 21:40                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-07 11:50                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-10-07 14:33                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-06 13:19                 ` Gnat Pro and the GPL Björn Persson
2004-10-06 17:16                   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 17:55                     ` Björn Persson
2004-10-06 18:18                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 19:02                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 20:25                           ` Björn Persson
2004-10-07  6:07                             ` Florian Weimer
2004-10-07 16:00                               ` Björn Persson
2004-10-06 22:21                         ` CBFalconer
2004-10-06 18:04                     ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]               ` <4163C54F.9050700@netcabo.pt>
2004-10-07  0:27                 ` GWindows and a future home for it Stephen Leake
2004-10-07  0:55                   ` stephane richard
2004-10-07 19:11                     ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro (was: GWindows and a home for it) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-08  2:07                       ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-10-08 16:50                         ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-08 17:26                           ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-10-09  2:27                           ` Brian May
2004-10-09 11:14                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-09  5:16                           ` CBFalconer
2004-10-09  9:57                             ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-08  5:53                       ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro (was: GWindows and a home for it) Simon Wright
2004-10-01 23:57     ` GWindows and a future home for it Stephen Leake
2004-10-02  3:06     ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-02  7:13       ` tmoran
2004-10-03 16:22         ` James E. Hopper
2004-10-03 19:03         ` David Botton [this message]
2004-10-03 23:31           ` Future of Ada volunteer efforts stephane richard
2004-09-30  0:13 ` GWindows Database time type Stephen Leake
2004-09-30  4:31   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-01  0:57     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-01  1:44       ` stephane richard
2004-10-01  3:04         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 10:07           ` stephane richard
2004-09-30 18:44   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-21 17:29     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-22  2:32       ` David Botton
2004-10-22 16:46         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-21 17:26   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-03 15:41 ` AdaPower and GWindows community effort drive David Botton
2004-10-03 16:45   ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 17:29     ` David Botton
2004-10-03 17:38       ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 19:10         ` David Botton
2004-10-04  2:12       ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04  2:21         ` stephane richard
2004-10-04 13:25         ` David Botton
2004-10-04  2:37   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-04  2:49     ` stephane richard
2004-10-04 13:44     ` David Botton
2004-10-05  1:25       ` David Botton
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