From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Float conversion
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:32:46 +0200
Date: 2010-08-04T16:32:45+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1uuvx10ynvzyw.1g2rh2mpso9j.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wcctynay1yf.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com
On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:52:40 -0400, Robert A Duff wrote:
> Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org> writes:
>
>> It is easy! This is a very small program; exhaustive testing is
>> appropriate.
>
> I wouldn't call that "exhaustive". To me, exhaustive testing means
> testing every possible input.
x every possible initial state
(some things are stateful. A pipelined CPU pipeline definitely is. We used
to ignore that, can we for "exhaustive" testing?)
>> What are you verifying, if not a specification?
>
> You can't formally verify specifications. You can (sometimes) formally
> verify that the code matches a specification.
Right.
(although one could check a specification for being consistent, i.e.
allowing at least one implementation)
> Anyway, I didn't see any specification for "min" in this thread.
> We just assume we all know what it means. But how do we know
> for sure that min(1.0, 1.0, 99.0) is not supposed to return
> 99.0? "min" is a poor name for such a function, but what
> if it were something more complicated?
(I think min is OK to denote the lower bound of a subset that belongs to
the subset.)
> And what is "min" supposed to do with NaNs?
NaN? However the interval NaN is unbounded. -Inf does not have the lower
bound (no min). +Inf does not have the upper bound (no max).
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I think that in any realistic case writing formal specifications and
verifying against them, would simpler than writing formal specifications
anyway, deriving specifications of a test set from them, showing that these
tests would detect any implementation error (exhaustive), implementing
these tests, verifying these test against their specifications and finally
running all these tests.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2010-07-29 12:23 Float conversion Henrique
2010-07-29 12:44 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2010-07-29 12:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-29 15:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-29 15:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-29 15:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-29 18:21 ` Henrique
2010-07-29 19:08 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-07-29 19:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-30 1:30 ` Phil Clayton
2010-07-30 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-30 13:14 ` Phil Clayton
2010-07-30 14:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-31 15:12 ` Stephen Leake
2010-08-03 1:07 ` Phil Clayton
2010-08-03 3:31 ` Shark8
2010-08-03 10:38 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-08-04 7:27 ` Stephen Leake
2010-08-04 16:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-08-04 16:32 ` Phil Clayton
2010-08-04 7:26 ` Stephen Leake
2010-08-04 12:52 ` Robert A Duff
2010-08-04 14:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2010-08-04 19:36 ` Simon Wright
2010-08-04 19:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-08-04 20:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-08-05 12:05 ` Stephen Leake
2010-08-07 5:54 ` Shark8
2010-08-07 8:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-08-07 13:49 ` Shark8
2010-08-05 10:20 ` Phil Clayton
2010-07-30 13:16 ` Henrique
2010-07-29 15:37 ` Warren
2010-07-29 14:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-29 17:56 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
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