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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:03:05 +0200
Date: 2007-10-06T18:03:08+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1tq0h0fb74sxe$.2ys0qzmfxcqo.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4707A3D0.3070702@obry.net

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:03:44 +0200, Pascal Obry wrote:

> Matthew Heaney a ļæ½crit :

>> No, this is incorrect.  The container keeps track of nested calls
>> (e.g. Query_Element, Iterate) using a count, in order to prevent
>> container misuse (e.g. deleting the element while it's being
>> queried).  So even though the logical view of the container doesn't
>> change, then physical view does change, and so the standard requires
>> that multiple tasks accessing a container must be properly
>> synchronized, even when the access is read-only.
> 
> Outch! Big mistake to require this to me :(

Why? The container type is not protected, thus you cannot expect it
functioning as if it were the latter.

BTW, I guess if placing a container into a protected object and accessing
it from a function of, might be erroneous on a multi-core platform. Here
two permissions collide: a protected object function can share, the
object's container component cannot. The compiler should change the
implementation of either. Would it?

> Maybe something like "Donļæ½t let best be enemy of good" !

It is rather "We didn't want to change the language to much," like by
making protected types tagged, by introducing pure functions, by allowing
in-out function parameters. It was not the best, not even good...

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-06 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-06  2:20 GNAT for MS Visual Studio William J Thomas
2007-09-06  7:44 ` anon
2007-09-06  8:49   ` Rob Veenker
2007-09-06 11:12     ` William J Thomas
2007-09-11  3:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-09-20  0:00 ` William J Thomas
2007-09-21  0:46   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-21  3:27     ` William J Thomas
2007-09-21 17:31       ` Markus E L
2007-09-21 18:13       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-22  1:42         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-22  1:59       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-22  5:19         ` Simon Wright
2007-09-22 14:42         ` Steve
2007-09-24  8:14           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-25  1:44             ` Steve
2007-09-25  6:41               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-25  8:29               ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 18:00                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-09-25 18:31                   ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 11:20               ` Markus E L
2007-09-26  2:23                 ` Steve
2007-09-26 12:21                   ` Markus E L
2007-09-28  0:49                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-28  2:43                     ` Steve
2007-09-28  9:36                       ` Markus E L
2007-09-29 15:59                         ` Michael Bode
2007-09-29 16:50                           ` Markus E L
2007-09-26  6:58                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2007-09-26 13:35                   ` Steve
2007-09-26 14:06                     ` Markus E L
2007-09-27 18:26                       ` Michael Bode
2007-09-27 20:18                         ` Markus E L
2007-09-28  6:45                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-29  9:18                           ` michael bode
2007-09-28  2:29                       ` Steve
2007-09-28  9:23                         ` Markus E L
2007-09-30 14:50                           ` Steve
2007-10-02  3:50                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-02 11:06                               ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-10-02 20:38                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-02 20:45                                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-03 19:23                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-03 19:40                                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-03 20:08                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-04 20:18                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-04 20:21                                           ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-05 13:25                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-06 10:50                                               ` concurrent access to containers (was: GNAT for MS Visual Studio) Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-05 20:15                                         ` GNAT for MS Visual Studio Simon Wright
2007-10-06 14:47                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2007-10-06 15:03                                         ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-06 16:03                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2007-10-06 17:07                                             ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-06 18:30                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 20:32                                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-07  7:35                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-07 21:30                                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08  7:50                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 10:32                                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 13:39                                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 15:10                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 20:40                                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-09  8:32                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 16:17                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2007-10-07  3:19                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-07  7:21                                             ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-07  7:49                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-07 16:41                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-07 17:44                                               ` Simon Wright
2007-10-08  9:52                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 10:42                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 10:59                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 11:07                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 18:44                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-08 15:21                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 18:28                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-07 21:48                                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-07 22:27                                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-10-08 21:10                                                   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-09  1:53                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-09 21:01                                                 ` Simon Wright
2007-10-09 22:48                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-10  0:21                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-10-10  4:57                                                   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-10  7:46                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-03  5:20                                 ` Licensing again (was Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio) Simon Wright
2007-10-03  2:03                               ` GNAT for MS Visual Studio Steve
2007-09-28 14:48                         ` Ed Falis
2007-09-29  2:32                           ` Steve
2007-09-29  6:53                             ` Vadim Godunko
2007-09-26 14:08                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-25  2:39             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:40               ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 11:28               ` Markus E L
2007-09-26 10:19               ` Pascal Obry
2007-09-26 13:00                 ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25  2:32           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:27             ` Stephen Leake
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-12 22:03 Anatoly Chernyshev
2007-10-13 20:25 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-14 10:37   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-14 11:26     ` Markus E L
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