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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: memory management in Ada: tedious without GC?
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:55:08 +0200
Date: 2008-05-19T09:55:08+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1qxcw3pphdlek.1jgsfwb7atdmo.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: d94612cf-d2f1-49ce-a327-46653487dd99@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com

On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:50:48 -0700 (PDT), Matthew Heaney wrote:

> On May 16, 4:42�pm, Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In Ada RAII is realized with controlled types. They are severely
>> broken in that they are intrusive in the type hierarchy and they burn
>> the whole budget for implementation inheritance,
> 
> No, this is wrong.  You can add in Controlled-ness as far down the
> hierarchy as you like, by adding a controlled component.

This is broken too:

1. You don't know exactly the order in which the Finalize of the controlled
component gets called.  So if you access the container object over an
access discriminant, that might be already invalid.

2. Similarly, Initialize might be called before the container object is
fully operational.

3. Access discriminant would require controlled object to become limited,
so must be the container.

4. The pattern is exposed to multiple inheritance diamond diagram problem,
when such components are added independently.

> Furthermore, if you blow your budget in Ada, then you blow in C++ too,
> since invoking Finalization in Ada is the same as invoking a dtor in C+

Well, I suggest that the overhead required in C++ for maintenance virtual
destructors should be lower than one Ada.Finalization. For example it does
not require linked list of objects.

IMO, initialization/finalization hooks shall be definable for all types.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-19  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-16 17:44 memory management in Ada: tedious without GC? jhc0033
2008-05-16 18:56 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-05-16 20:42 ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-16 21:45   ` Ivan Levashew
2008-05-16 22:59   ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-05-17  5:24     ` jhc0033
2008-05-17  7:50       ` Ivan Levashew
2008-05-16 23:05   ` Randy Brukardt
2008-05-19  3:50   ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19  7:55     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2008-05-19 13:18       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-05-19 14:16         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-23 23:15       ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24  0:45         ` Randy Brukardt
2008-05-24  8:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 16:14           ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24 19:04             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 20:52               ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-25  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-25 11:28                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-25 12:35                   ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-26  8:16                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-24 19:39             ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-05-24 20:45               ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-19  8:35     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 15:11       ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 21:13         ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-23 23:03         ` Robert A Duff
2008-05-24  0:12           ` Adam Beneschan
2008-05-16 22:45 ` anon
2008-05-17  7:34 ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 15:11   ` Bob Klungle
2008-05-17 15:27     ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 16:18       ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-05-20  8:04         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-05-20  8:01       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2008-05-20 10:03         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 17:23     ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 16:51   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-17 17:45     ` Pascal Obry
2008-05-17 22:28       ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-05-18  7:03         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18  8:50           ` jhc0033
2008-05-18  9:31             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 14:10               ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-18 14:59                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 20:51                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19  8:36                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-05-18 15:03             ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18 18:27               ` jhc0033
2008-05-19  4:12                 ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19  8:39                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 15:37                     ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 21:21                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 23:02                         ` Matthew Heaney
2008-05-19 10:27                 ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-17 22:42       ` Peter C. Chapin
2008-05-18  6:58         ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18  6:52     ` Martin Krischik
2008-05-18 14:16       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-17 14:30 ` Brian Drummond
2008-05-17 16:47   ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-19 14:45     ` Brian Drummond
2008-05-20  7:42       ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-20 18:01         ` jayessay
2008-05-18  8:06   ` Simon Wright
2008-05-18 14:21     ` Maciej Sobczak
2008-05-18 20:48       ` Simon Wright
2008-05-19 14:40     ` Brian Drummond
2008-05-19  3:44 ` Matthew Heaney
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