* Quick Question about GPS IDE @ 2014-12-28 8:22 Hubert 2014-12-28 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Hubert @ 2014-12-28 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi all, I am getting more serious with the Adacore GPS now and I ran into something that baffled me: There seems to be no search and replave functionality!! Am I looking at the wrong place or is that really missing? I am trying to help myself now by running the external Emacs client, but I am not familiar with emacs either and have to weasel my way through the dummy cards for that one as well. Thanks! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 8:22 Quick Question about GPS IDE Hubert @ 2014-12-28 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 8:54 ` Hubert 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 8:43 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 00:22:33 -0800, Hubert wrote: > I am getting more serious with the Adacore GPS now and I ran into > something that baffled me: There seems to be no search and replave > functionality!! Ctrl+F -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 8:54 ` Hubert 2014-12-28 9:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 16:04 ` Britt 0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Hubert @ 2014-12-28 8:54 UTC (permalink / raw) On 12/28/2014 0:43 AM, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 00:22:33 -0800, Hubert wrote: > >> I am getting more serious with the Adacore GPS now and I ran into >> something that baffled me: There seems to be no search and replave >> functionality!! > > Ctrl+F > Oh man I feel so embarrassed now :) It is under "Navigate", not "Edit". Sorry about that, I see it now :D thanks a bunch --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 8:54 ` Hubert @ 2014-12-28 9:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 10:29 ` Hubert 2014-12-28 16:04 ` Britt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 9:20 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 00:54:49 -0800, Hubert wrote: > On 12/28/2014 0:43 AM, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 00:22:33 -0800, Hubert wrote: >> >>> I am getting more serious with the Adacore GPS now and I ran into >>> something that baffled me: There seems to be no search and replave >>> functionality!! >> >> Ctrl+F > > Oh man I feel so embarrassed now :) > It is under "Navigate", not "Edit". Sorry about that, I see it now :D BTW, if you want to rename a variable, type etc, right click on it, then "Refactoring". Of course the sources must be fully compiled before doing this, because it is not a textual search. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 9:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 10:29 ` Hubert 2014-12-28 10:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Hubert @ 2014-12-28 10:29 UTC (permalink / raw) > BTW, if you want to rename a variable, type etc, right click on it, then > "Refactoring". Of course the sources must be fully compiled before doing > this, because it is not a textual search. > Thanks, I'm getting the hang of it. It's quite different from VisualStudio, but once you find out where all the functionality is, it seems to be relatively usable. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 10:29 ` Hubert @ 2014-12-28 10:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 12:15 ` Hubert ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 02:29:06 -0800, Hubert wrote: >> BTW, if you want to rename a variable, type etc, right click on it, then >> "Refactoring". Of course the sources must be fully compiled before doing >> this, because it is not a textual search. >> > Thanks, I'm getting the hang of it. It's quite different from > VisualStudio, but once you find out where all the functionality is, it > seems to be relatively usable. GPS is better than VS. I'm using both pretty much. The only useful feature VS has which GPS does not is "bookmarks." [ VS quite degraded since VS 2005, which was its best version IMO. Each following version is getting more bloated, slower and less usable. ] P.S. I don't count the debugger, because it is not an IDE's part actually. AdaCore cannot do anything with gdb. Maybe they should consider supporting other debuggers in GPS. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 10:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 12:15 ` Hubert 2014-12-28 12:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 15:52 ` Britt 2014-12-28 17:56 ` Anh Vo 2 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Hubert @ 2014-12-28 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw) > P.S. I don't count the debugger, because it is not an IDE's part actually. > AdaCore cannot do anything with gdb. Maybe they should consider supporting > other debuggers in GPS. > I don't understand, the gdb debugger seems to be relatively nicely integrated with GPS? From what I have seen so far it's a bit different from VS debugger but quite alright. I checked out Slickedit in the meantime because I thought the debugger integration there might be better than in GPS but I wasn't able to get an Ada program to debug there. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 12:15 ` Hubert @ 2014-12-28 12:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 22:21 ` J-P. Rosen 2014-12-29 2:42 ` Hubert 0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 12:41 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 04:15:56 -0800, Hubert wrote: >> P.S. I don't count the debugger, because it is not an IDE's part actually. >> AdaCore cannot do anything with gdb. Maybe they should consider supporting >> other debuggers in GPS. >> > I don't understand, the gdb debugger seems to be relatively nicely > integrated with GPS? Its gdb is totally unusable in any real-life sized project. You will not be able to initialize the program and set a break point, as simple as this. And in general using breakpoints and inspecting variables and the stack is only one technique of debugging, the ancient debuggers like gdb single it out. This technique is not always useful for Ada with tasking, real-time, external I/O (uncontrollable events). Neither it is for on-line introspection and problem tracking in already deployed applications and their components like shared libraries. In short, I would consider GPS debugger non-existent, and from a very early project stage integrate good tracing facilities into it. GNAT's RTL has some nice tools for exceptions tracking and symbolic stack tracing. They don't work with MS formats, unfortunately, but it is better than nothing. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 12:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 22:21 ` J-P. Rosen 2014-12-28 22:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-29 2:42 ` Hubert 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: J-P. Rosen @ 2014-12-28 22:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Le 28/12/2014 13:41, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit : > Its gdb is totally unusable in any real-life sized project. You will not be > able to initialize the program and set a break point, as simple as this. ??? Debug/Initialize, then click in the left margin in front of the line where you want to set a breakpoint. Looks like simple and intuitive... Note: I rarely use debuggers in general, but I can't let such an incorrect information without a rebutal... -- J-P. Rosen Adalog 2 rue du Docteur Lombard, 92441 Issy-les-Moulineaux CEDEX Tel: +33 1 45 29 21 52, Fax: +33 1 45 29 25 00 http://www.adalog.fr ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 22:21 ` J-P. Rosen @ 2014-12-28 22:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-29 7:48 ` J-P. Rosen 2014-12-29 9:39 ` Stephen Leake 0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 22:45 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:21:20 +0100, J-P. Rosen wrote: > Le 28/12/2014 13:41, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit : >> Its gdb is totally unusable in any real-life sized project. You will not be >> able to initialize the program and set a break point, as simple as this. > ??? > Debug/Initialize, then click in the left margin in front of the line > where you want to set a breakpoint. Looks like simple and intuitive... > > Note: I rarely use debuggers in general, That's why you believe it would work. > but I can't let such an > incorrect information without a rebutal... As I said, in a real size project you either will not be able to set the breakpoint after you initialize or else it will not stop at the breakpoint. Actually it will not stop anywhere. I don't know if that depends on the size or on libraries used, maybe on both. Even when you could set a breakpoint you not guaranteed to be able to debug the program. It can go mad at any time, while stepping through etc. The fact is, it is totally unusable in practice. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 22:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-29 7:48 ` J-P. Rosen 2014-12-29 9:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-29 15:03 ` Shark8 2014-12-29 9:39 ` Stephen Leake 1 sibling, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: J-P. Rosen @ 2014-12-29 7:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Le 28/12/2014 23:45, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit : > As I said, in a real size project you either will not be able to set the > breakpoint after you initialize or else it will not stop at the breakpoint. > Actually it will not stop anywhere. I don't know if that depends on the > size or on libraries used, maybe on both. Even when you could set a > breakpoint you not guaranteed to be able to debug the program. It can go > mad at any time, while stepping through etc. The fact is, it is totally > unusable in practice. I think AdaControl qualifies as a "real size project", and I never experienced what you describe. So please tell that YOU experienced problems, but don't make general statements that gdb is unusable. Moreover, GPS is just a front-end to gdb, and gdb is presumably the most used debugger in the world (at least in the world of free software). If it were that bad, it would have been fixed... -- J-P. Rosen Adalog 2 rue du Docteur Lombard, 92441 Issy-les-Moulineaux CEDEX Tel: +33 1 45 29 21 52, Fax: +33 1 45 29 25 00 http://www.adalog.fr ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-29 7:48 ` J-P. Rosen @ 2014-12-29 9:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-29 21:06 ` ake.ragnar.dahlgren 2014-12-29 15:03 ` Shark8 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-29 9:19 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:48:15 +0100, J-P. Rosen wrote: > Le 28/12/2014 23:45, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit : >> As I said, in a real size project you either will not be able to set the >> breakpoint after you initialize or else it will not stop at the breakpoint. >> Actually it will not stop anywhere. I don't know if that depends on the >> size or on libraries used, maybe on both. Even when you could set a >> breakpoint you not guaranteed to be able to debug the program. It can go >> mad at any time, while stepping through etc. The fact is, it is totally >> unusable in practice. > > I think AdaControl qualifies as a "real size project", and I never > experienced what you describe. I said that I don't know why this happens. It is possible that in a plain program of any size that uses nothing but Ada.Text_IO, it would not happen. Maybe libraries is the reason, maybe the number of subcomponents and sub-projects, I have no idea. > So please tell that YOU experienced > problems, It would be strange to suggest otherwise. > but don't make general statements that gdb is unusable. Since in *none* of the projects I maintain gdb does not work, I feel obliged to warn others. > Moreover, GPS is just a front-end to gdb, and gdb is presumably the most > used debugger in the world (at least in the world of free software). If > it were that bad, it would have been fixed... Just like C, just like C... gdb never ever worked in GPS. Even if it did, it is poorly integrated into GPS. Breakpoints are not saved, "Initialize" should never existed. The session shall never stop at the first program "instruction". The GPS windows layout *shall not* change when a session starts or ends. There no re-run button, no decent values watch tabs persistent between sessions, no usable conditional breakpoints. It shall understand pdb files, without that it is pretty much useless, again in real projects. I don't blame AdaCore for this and never reported gdb issues to them, because, clearly to me, it would be wasting scarce resources AdaCore has on a thing which I don't believe were fixable. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-29 9:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-29 21:06 ` ake.ragnar.dahlgren 2014-12-29 23:51 ` Brad Moore 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: ake.ragnar.dahlgren @ 2014-12-29 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Dear all, I've also had problems with GDB as Dimitry describes. It seems to work for my small hobby projects at home, but for the applications at work it doesn't work as expected for me. When I set breakpoints, GDB may or may not stop execution upon them. If it has to do with a large code base or multi-threading, I've no idea. Anyways, if I ever run into GDB issue in an open source Ada project I will reopen this issue for discussion. Maybe somebody here could then point out where the problem lies. I am also thankful for the feedback that some Ada developers successfully use GDB in their projects. Best regards, Åke Ragnar Dahlgren ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-29 21:06 ` ake.ragnar.dahlgren @ 2014-12-29 23:51 ` Brad Moore 2014-12-31 0:39 ` ake.ragnar.dahlgren 2014-12-31 1:21 ` Hubert 0 siblings, 2 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Brad Moore @ 2014-12-29 23:51 UTC (permalink / raw) On 14-12-29 02:06 PM, ake.ragnar.dahlgren@gmail.com wrote: > Dear all, > > I've also had problems with GDB as Dimitry describes. It seems to work for my small hobby projects at home, but for the applications at work it doesn't work as expected for me. When I set breakpoints, GDB may or may not stop execution upon them. If it has to do with a large code base or multi-threading, I've no idea. Anyways, if I ever run into GDB issue in an open source Ada project I will reopen this issue for discussion. Maybe somebody here could then point out where the problem lies. > > I am also thankful for the feedback that some Ada developers successfully use GDB in their projects. > > Best regards, > Åke Ragnar Dahlgren > Some possibilities to explain why one cant set a breakpoint is that you need to ensure that the code you want to debug was been compiled with the debug flag turned on. Look for -g on the command line. If you are linking with third party libraries, or dynamically linked libraries, you need to ensure that those libraries have also been compiled with debug enabled, if you want to step into those library calls with the debugger. If in GPS, you try to set a breakpoint and do not get visual feedback that the breakpoint was set, then it is a good idea to check the compilation flags. As I mentioned above, you should see a -g on the command line for the compilation, in GNAT and gcc. Another cause might be due to optimization, the code you want to set a breakpoint on, may have been optimized out. So usually when debugging, I tend to disable optimization flags. Another possibility is that the code may not have been compiled since last edited, causing a discrepency between where the debugger thinks the source lines are, and where the editor shows them. Be sure to compile the latest version of the sources you want to debug. Another trick I've learned is that stepping into a protected object doesnt usually work, probably because the thread that executes the protected action is not the same one that makes the call into the PO. If you want to step into a PO, I find you usually need to set a breakpoint on the code inside the protected object. Then you can step through the code inside the protected object. Sometimes GPS wont set a breakpoint on a particular line of source, usually because it does not represent executable code. (eg. A declaration of some variable that doesn't have any initialization). For that case, try instead setting a breakpoint on a nearby line that is associated with a statement of execution. Another point is that when setting breakpoints on function calls where the parameters span multiple source lines, you usually want to set a breakpoint on the last line of the call, if you want to catch the debugger just before stepping into the call. Otherwise, you might find that you need to step through execution associated with setting up each of the parameters. Another usage I found very helpful is when a core-dump or stack trace is output, due to some exception being raised. If the code was compiled with debug enabled, you can usually enter the address into gdb and see the code associated with the failure. The address reported I think is a return address, so quite often the line where you want to set a breakpoint, is the source line immediately before the line associated with the reported address. Usually it is obvious which line caused the problem. If while stepping through the debugger, the code seems to be jumping wildly from one place to another, it is probably because multiple threads are executing, and each breakpoint in the debugger represents the progress of a different thread or task. I find it handy to display the threads, and the backtrace windows in GPS. This shows which thread is associated with the current break in the debugger. Debugging multithreaded applications can be tricky. You may need to follow the thread you are interested in, and set lots of breakpoints around the area you are trying to debug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-29 23:51 ` Brad Moore @ 2014-12-31 0:39 ` ake.ragnar.dahlgren 2014-12-31 1:21 ` Hubert 1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: ake.ragnar.dahlgren @ 2014-12-31 0:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Thank you Brad for your detailed description about what to keep in mind while using GDB to step through Ada code. Very useful information for me. Many thanks! Best regards, Åke Ragnar Dahlgren ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-29 23:51 ` Brad Moore 2014-12-31 0:39 ` ake.ragnar.dahlgren @ 2014-12-31 1:21 ` Hubert 1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Hubert @ 2014-12-31 1:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Yes, I also noticed that the program is not always correctly recompiled when I edit some ADB files, then I have to rebuild all, that may also be a cause for debugger misbehavior sometimes --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-29 7:48 ` J-P. Rosen 2014-12-29 9:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-29 15:03 ` Shark8 1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Shark8 @ 2014-12-29 15:03 UTC (permalink / raw) On 29-Dec-14 00:48, J-P. Rosen wrote: > Moreover, GPS is just a front-end to gdb, and gdb is presumably the most > used debugger in the world (at least in the world of free software). Popular ("most used") doesn't mean anything about wither the overall quality or the more-specific usability. As far as debugging goes, the old Lisp-Machines apparently had debugging environments that put many modern debuggers to shame. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 22:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-29 7:48 ` J-P. Rosen @ 2014-12-29 9:39 ` Stephen Leake 2014-12-29 16:52 ` Brad Moore 1 sibling, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Stephen Leake @ 2014-12-29 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:21:20 +0100, J-P. Rosen wrote: > >> Le 28/12/2014 13:41, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit : >>> Its gdb is totally unusable in any real-life sized project. You will not be >>> able to initialize the program and set a break point, as simple as this. >> ??? >> Debug/Initialize, then click in the left margin in front of the line >> where you want to set a breakpoint. Looks like simple and intuitive... >> >> Note: I rarely use debuggers in general, > > That's why you believe it would work. > >> but I can't let such an >> incorrect information without a rebutal... > > As I said, in a real size project you either will not be able to set the > breakpoint after you initialize or else it will not stop at the breakpoint. > Actually it will not stop anywhere. I don't know if that depends on the > size or on libraries used, maybe on both. Even when you could set a > breakpoint you not guaranteed to be able to debug the program. It can go > mad at any time, while stepping through etc. The fact is, it is totally > unusable in practice. Just for the record, I use gdb fairly often, on real projects (a NASA simulator, home projects), and have _never_ had these issues. I've run it on Lynx (a real-time OS) both natively and via the remote interface, on Windows, Red Hat and Debian. So it depends on the details of your project. -- -- Stephe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-29 9:39 ` Stephen Leake @ 2014-12-29 16:52 ` Brad Moore 0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Brad Moore @ 2014-12-29 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw) On 14-12-29 02:39 AM, Stephen Leake wrote: > "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes: > >> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 23:21:20 +0100, J-P. Rosen wrote: >> >>> Le 28/12/2014 13:41, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit : >>>> Its gdb is totally unusable in any real-life sized project. You will not be >>>> able to initialize the program and set a break point, as simple as this. >>> ??? >>> Debug/Initialize, then click in the left margin in front of the line >>> where you want to set a breakpoint. Looks like simple and intuitive... >>> >>> Note: I rarely use debuggers in general, >> >> That's why you believe it would work. >> >>> but I can't let such an >>> incorrect information without a rebutal... >> >> As I said, in a real size project you either will not be able to set the >> breakpoint after you initialize or else it will not stop at the breakpoint. >> Actually it will not stop anywhere. I don't know if that depends on the >> size or on libraries used, maybe on both. Even when you could set a >> breakpoint you not guaranteed to be able to debug the program. It can go >> mad at any time, while stepping through etc. The fact is, it is totally >> unusable in practice. > > Just for the record, I use gdb fairly often, on real projects (a NASA > simulator, home projects), and have _never_ had these issues. I've run > it on Lynx (a real-time OS) both natively and via the remote interface, > on Windows, Red Hat and Debian. > > So it depends on the details of your project. > I've also used it to debug large multi-threaded distributed systems, both within GPS and Ada, and outside of Ada and GPS (C and C++), and have found it to be a useful tool. I also have not seen the issues mentioned. I've also used the Visual Studio debugger, and offhand haven't seen any significant difference between the two environments. There may be finer details that highlight one over the other, but if so, I haven't noticed them. Overall, I think they are fairly comparable. One nice feature of gdb that I think Visual Studio lacks is that it can also be used in a console window without a GUI, which I've found to be useful at times when debugging on an embedded platform, though gdb also supports remote debugging with a GUI. So I basically disagree with the claim that it is totally unusable in practice. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 12:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 22:21 ` J-P. Rosen @ 2014-12-29 2:42 ` Hubert 1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Hubert @ 2014-12-29 2:42 UTC (permalink / raw) > In short, I would consider GPS debugger non-existent, and from a very early > project stage integrate good tracing facilities into it. GNAT's RTL has > some nice tools for exceptions tracking and symbolic stack tracing. They > don't work with MS formats, unfortunately, but it is better than nothing. Yes that's true. I notice that in my current project which is a fairly big client server application in Visual Studio C++ . Although the debugger there is probably one of the finest in this field, I am running into lots of situations where the cause of the bug lies in the past and is propagated through multiple threads and thus the debugger does not help very much. I am working on a logging system that uses an Ada program to log data to and then clients that connect and can see various parts of the logged data based on channels and priorities etc. I have something like that already but it's not very fast, I was very new to Ada when I did that and didn't quite understand how to use tasks and protected objects. I'm not sure if I'll be able to finish that in the time I have for it, but it would be a great help for tracing down errors. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 10:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 12:15 ` Hubert @ 2014-12-28 15:52 ` Britt 2014-12-28 16:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 17:56 ` Anh Vo 2 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Britt @ 2014-12-28 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sunday, December 28, 2014 5:48:58 AM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > GPS is better than VS. I'm using both pretty much. The only useful feature > VS has which GPS does not is "bookmarks." > GPS supports bookmarks: Edit -> Create Bookmark Tools -> Views -> Bookmarks Bookmarks can be renamed after they are created. Users may want to assign a key shortcut to each of these two menus. - Britt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 15:52 ` Britt @ 2014-12-28 16:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 18:08 ` Anh Vo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:52:52 -0800 (PST), Britt wrote: > On Sunday, December 28, 2014 5:48:58 AM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > >> GPS is better than VS. I'm using both pretty much. The only useful feature >> VS has which GPS does not is "bookmarks." > > GPS supports bookmarks: > Edit -> Create Bookmark > Tools -> Views -> Bookmarks > > Bookmarks can be renamed after they are created. Users may want to assign > a key shortcut to each of these two menus. OK, however the intended usage is when bookmarks are highlighted in the source text. Also, it is good that they are preserved upon GPS exit, bad is that they seem to be global, rather than project-related. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 16:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 18:08 ` Anh Vo 0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Anh Vo @ 2014-12-28 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sunday, December 28, 2014 8:16:29 AM UTC-8, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:52:52 -0800 (PST), Britt wrote: > > > On Sunday, December 28, 2014 5:48:58 AM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > > > >> GPS is better than VS. I'm using both pretty much. The only useful feature > >> VS has which GPS does not is "bookmarks." > > > > GPS supports bookmarks: > > Edit -> Create Bookmark > > Tools -> Views -> Bookmarks > > > > Bookmarks can be renamed after they are created. Users may want to assign > > a key shortcut to each of these two menus. > > OK, however the intended usage is when bookmarks are highlighted in the > source text. Also, it is good that they are preserved upon GPS exit, bad is > that they seem to be global, rather than project-related. It is true that Bookmarks are not project based. It is good idea that I will suggest to AdaCore making it project based instead of GPS based. Anh Vo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 10:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2014-12-28 12:15 ` Hubert 2014-12-28 15:52 ` Britt @ 2014-12-28 17:56 ` Anh Vo 2 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Anh Vo @ 2014-12-28 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sunday, December 28, 2014 2:48:58 AM UTC-8, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 02:29:06 -0800, Hubert wrote: > > >> BTW, if you want to rename a variable, type etc, right click on it, then > >> "Refactoring". Of course the sources must be fully compiled before doing > >> this, because it is not a textual search. > >> > > Thanks, I'm getting the hang of it. It's quite different from > > VisualStudio, but once you find out where all the functionality is, it > > seems to be relatively usable. > > GPS is better than VS. I'm using both pretty much. The only useful feature > VS has which GPS does not is "bookmarks." GPS has bookmarks, too. I have used it extensively in our project. In addition, the public version GPS 6.0.1 bundled in GNAT-GPL-2014 has it, also. It is in drop down Edit menu. Anh Vo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
* Re: Quick Question about GPS IDE 2014-12-28 8:54 ` Hubert 2014-12-28 9:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2014-12-28 16:04 ` Britt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread From: Britt @ 2014-12-28 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sunday, December 28, 2014 3:54:43 AM UTC-5, Hubert wrote: > On 12/28/2014 0:43 AM, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > > > Ctrl+F > > Oh man I feel so embarrassed now :) > It is under "Navigate", not "Edit". Sorry about that, I see it now :D > Also, GPS versions 6.0.1 and newer have a "omnisearch" feature that provides a fast "find all" type of searching. The search entry field is normally always visible in the upper right corner of the main window and it can also be invoked with Ctrl+T. The interface for this feature needs some improvements (IMO) but it is still very useful. - Britt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 25+ messages in thread
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