From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: GtkAda using Glade
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 10:16:35 +0200
Date: 2011-05-22T10:16:37+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1mzwjt6gs7zf1$.6jm6o3vyikli.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: f72e6c48-0fb6-4d31-b09e-36396d02a3a9@t16g2000vbi.googlegroups.com
On Sun, 22 May 2011 00:04:18 -0700 (PDT), Gautier write-only wrote:
> On 20 mai, 09:25, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
> wrote:
>
>> I am not. BTW, this is one of the arguments against Ada generics. They
>> wandered to far into the realm of "generated" code.
>>
>> The point is simple. If the meta language is good, the object language is
>> irrelevant. Switch to the former. If you cannot, no reason to use it at
>> all.
>
> Mmmh perhaps I guess you.
> You may be disturbed by GUI builders that read and write the GUI info
> in one kind of language (like a .rc script) and write generated Ada
> code from that information, which is a one-way process.
Yes that is the problem. GUI builder translates from a language X
(graphical, declarative whatever) into Ada.
> It is so disturbing for a purist that you call it an obstacle.
If X is so good, why bother about Ada? If not, why do about X?
[There is a possibility of coexistence if applications are separable.]
I am not a purist, I am a practitioner, who has to fight this and similar
mess daily. Any declarative layer (builders, generics/macros, object
models, protocol description languages, DB languages, source control/make
scripts etc) add an immense amount of complexity. It simply does not pay
off.
> You'd like to
> have it all in Ada: i.e. a GUI builder that is able to understand the
> Ada code, display the objects, allow the user to modify them and add
> other, or even create a class tree, and whenever you press save, you
> have the Ada code (eventually several packages) updated ? Sure it is
> possible, based on ASIS of course. Certainly a couple of full years of
> programming.
You are predicting the death of Ada programming. I am not so optimistic or
pessimistic, depending on what you like. What you describe is will not
happen. [GUI builders exist for more than 20 years.]
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-17 23:58 GtkAda using Glade Gary
2011-05-18 1:14 ` John B. Matthews
2011-05-18 11:56 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-18 13:58 ` Gary
2011-05-18 17:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-18 18:24 ` Gary
2011-05-18 18:27 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-18 18:42 ` Gary
2011-05-18 21:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-18 22:09 ` Gary
2011-05-18 23:15 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-19 1:52 ` Gary
2011-05-19 5:25 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-19 9:23 ` Manuel Collado
2011-05-19 9:57 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-18 20:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-18 20:45 ` Gary
2011-05-19 7:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-19 10:02 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-19 10:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-19 15:53 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-19 22:57 ` Gary
2011-05-20 0:54 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-20 1:41 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-05-20 7:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 7:34 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-05-20 7:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 0:26 ` Gautier write-only
2011-05-20 7:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 9:50 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-22 6:22 ` Gautier write-only
2011-05-22 7:04 ` Gautier write-only
2011-05-22 8:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2011-05-20 0:49 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-20 7:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 8:01 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-20 10:00 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-20 12:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-19 5:18 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-19 5:12 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-18 23:31 ` Rick
2011-05-19 1:52 ` Gary
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