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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Anti-Ada FUD (rant)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:34:56 +0200
Date: 2013-09-23T09:34:56+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1lgdqz079ogp5.1ti8931i9me3x$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 6a978d1c-1922-448b-91f7-cf8a19eab1fd@googlegroups.com

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:12:12 -0700 (PDT), Peter Brooks wrote:

> On Monday, 23 September 2013 07:55:53 UTC+2, Shark8  wrote:
>> 
>> Fork and Exec led to sockets and TCP/IP? I'm sorry, but I seriously don't
>> see the connection there.
>> 
> Look up the way sockets work and you'll see - TCP/IP is based on exactly
> that socket architecture.

I don't see any relation ether. Clearly if TCP/IP were developed as a part
of UNIX, socket would become a file. Yes, UNIX had no slightest idea that
I/O could be asynchronous. As a result it ran a separate process for each
possible kind of event. What a mess!

(And fork/exec is one of the ugliest parts of UNIX)
 
>The fork/exec idea is what makes sockets elegant, not that they look like
> files, though that has its advantages and disadvantages.

The reason for that was that the OSes like Windows and UNIX treated sockets
as an ad-on rather than integral part of the system. Neither OS was thought
networking and neither was any open to accommodate new classes of devices.
The pattern has repeated itself many times.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-23  7:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-20 22:18 Anti-Ada FUD (rant) krfkeith
2013-09-20 22:47 ` Adam Beneschan
2013-09-20 23:32 ` John B. Matthews
2013-09-21 12:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-22  0:47 ` gautier_niouzes
2013-09-22 21:24 ` Shark8
2013-09-23  4:43   ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23  5:14     ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2013-09-23  6:05       ` Shark8
2013-09-23 23:19         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2013-09-24  7:10           ` Bill Richards
2013-09-23  7:00       ` Bill Richards
2013-09-23  7:55         ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-23  8:31           ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23  8:37           ` Bill Richards
2013-09-23  8:52             ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-23  8:59         ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-23 11:31           ` Bill Richards
2013-09-29  1:04           ` Shmuel Metz
2013-09-24  1:40         ` Paul Rubin
2013-09-24  7:05           ` Bill Richards
2013-09-24  7:34             ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-24  7:49               ` Bill Richards
2013-09-24 10:47                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-24 10:38             ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-24 15:39               ` Paul Rubin
2013-09-28 23:28         ` Shmuel Metz
2013-09-23  5:55     ` Shark8
2013-09-23  6:12       ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23  7:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2013-09-23  8:36           ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23  9:36             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-09-23  9:39               ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-23 12:16                 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23 12:54                   ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-23 14:32                     ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23 22:06                       ` Peter C. Chapin
2013-09-29  1:00           ` Shmuel Metz
2013-09-23  7:26       ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-24  6:03         ` Shark8
2013-09-24  7:51           ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-26 20:58             ` erlo
2013-09-24  6:38 ` krfkeith
2013-09-24 23:18   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-09-28  6:21     ` Shark8
2013-09-28 14:40       ` Per Sandberg
2013-09-28 21:54       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
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