From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Anti-Ada FUD (rant)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:34:56 +0200
Date: 2013-09-23T09:34:56+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1lgdqz079ogp5.1ti8931i9me3x$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 6a978d1c-1922-448b-91f7-cf8a19eab1fd@googlegroups.com
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:12:12 -0700 (PDT), Peter Brooks wrote:
> On Monday, 23 September 2013 07:55:53 UTC+2, Shark8 wrote:
>>
>> Fork and Exec led to sockets and TCP/IP? I'm sorry, but I seriously don't
>> see the connection there.
>>
> Look up the way sockets work and you'll see - TCP/IP is based on exactly
> that socket architecture.
I don't see any relation ether. Clearly if TCP/IP were developed as a part
of UNIX, socket would become a file. Yes, UNIX had no slightest idea that
I/O could be asynchronous. As a result it ran a separate process for each
possible kind of event. What a mess!
(And fork/exec is one of the ugliest parts of UNIX)
>The fork/exec idea is what makes sockets elegant, not that they look like
> files, though that has its advantages and disadvantages.
The reason for that was that the OSes like Windows and UNIX treated sockets
as an ad-on rather than integral part of the system. Neither OS was thought
networking and neither was any open to accommodate new classes of devices.
The pattern has repeated itself many times.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-20 22:18 Anti-Ada FUD (rant) krfkeith
2013-09-20 22:47 ` Adam Beneschan
2013-09-20 23:32 ` John B. Matthews
2013-09-21 12:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-22 0:47 ` gautier_niouzes
2013-09-22 21:24 ` Shark8
2013-09-23 4:43 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23 5:14 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2013-09-23 6:05 ` Shark8
2013-09-23 23:19 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2013-09-24 7:10 ` Bill Richards
2013-09-23 7:00 ` Bill Richards
2013-09-23 7:55 ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-23 8:31 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23 8:37 ` Bill Richards
2013-09-23 8:52 ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-23 8:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-23 11:31 ` Bill Richards
2013-09-29 1:04 ` Shmuel Metz
2013-09-24 1:40 ` Paul Rubin
2013-09-24 7:05 ` Bill Richards
2013-09-24 7:34 ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-24 7:49 ` Bill Richards
2013-09-24 10:47 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-24 10:38 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-09-24 15:39 ` Paul Rubin
2013-09-28 23:28 ` Shmuel Metz
2013-09-23 5:55 ` Shark8
2013-09-23 6:12 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23 7:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2013-09-23 8:36 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23 9:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-09-23 9:39 ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-23 12:16 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23 12:54 ` Bill Findlay
2013-09-23 14:32 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-23 22:06 ` Peter C. Chapin
2013-09-29 1:00 ` Shmuel Metz
2013-09-23 7:26 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-24 6:03 ` Shark8
2013-09-24 7:51 ` Peter Brooks
2013-09-26 20:58 ` erlo
2013-09-24 6:38 ` krfkeith
2013-09-24 23:18 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-09-28 6:21 ` Shark8
2013-09-28 14:40 ` Per Sandberg
2013-09-28 21:54 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
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