From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Run-time accessibility checks
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:22:54 +0100
Date: 2008-12-07T20:22:55+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1kiyj15u2qxm2.1hrf2alc7o6l0$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 877dccaf-67d2-47ba-951d-2546ab500f75@f3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 06:56:49 -0800 (PST), Ludovic Brenta wrote:
> On Dec 7, 9:44 am, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:10:49 -0800 (PST), Ludovic Brenta wrote:
>>> Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>>> It is absolutely unacceptable to me that a correct
>>>> program might fail at run-time because of accessibility checks.
>>
>>> I differ here; to me, a program that fails an accessibility check at
>>> run time is incorrect.
>>
>> Ah, I used to think this way too. But then I realized that this form of
>> constraint is not a semantic one. Comparing to the constraint range 1..10,
>> accessibility constraint is an implementation detail. It has no semantic
>> meaning. When you assign a value outside the range that is semantically
>> incorrect. When you assign a pointer that potentially might become
>> dangling, that has no semantic meaning. The pointer is not yet dangling.
>> The program correctness depends on whether it will become dangling.
>
> My definition of correctness is a bit more demanding. I want to be
> *certain* that the pointer *cannot* become dangling, *ever*,
> especially in the face of software maintenance where the program
> changes. That's what accessibility checks give me, and I am grateful
> for their existence and I will design my programs so as not to fail
> accessibility checks.
No, it is *less* demanding than mine. Mine is that the program is either
correct or not, statically. This leaves no room for run-time checks on
correctness. Consequently, if accessibility check fails at run-time then a
correct program shall handle the corresponding exception. It does not add
safety.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-07 19:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-06 10:15 Run-time accessibility checks (was: Construction initialization problem) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-12-06 17:10 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-12-07 8:44 ` Run-time accessibility checks Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-12-07 14:56 ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-12-07 19:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2008-12-11 1:03 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-12-11 9:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-12-11 0:55 ` Run-time accessibility checks (was: Construction initialization problem) Randy Brukardt
2008-12-11 9:48 ` Run-time accessibility checks Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-12-11 11:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-12-11 11:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-12-11 22:15 ` Run-time accessibility checks (was: Construction initialization problem) Randy Brukardt
2008-12-11 22:31 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-12-13 0:49 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-12-13 9:06 ` Run-time accessibility checks Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-12-16 1:53 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-12-16 9:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-12-16 22:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2008-12-17 8:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-12-12 9:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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