From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Ada Interfaces and the Liskov Substitution Principle
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 09:48:38 +0200
Date: 2007-05-26T09:48:30+02:00 [thread overview]
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On 25 May 2007 13:27:47 -0700, Maciej Sobczak wrote:
> On 25 Maj, 10:21, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
> wrote:
>
>>> Interesting. In most of the cases, the factory function creates the
>>> object of whatever type *it* decides (based on its parameters or some
>>> other input values) and initializes the class-wide type accordingly.
>>
>> Not necessarily. In one case, I generate nodes of a graph. The nodes can be
>> of different types regarding their persistence. For example, there are
>> nodes resident in the database and nodes resident in the memory etc. Now,
>> when creating a new node a factory moves along two axes: the standard
>> root/branch/leaf hierarchy and persistence stuff. For the latter the
>> factory receives an already existing node, to create "a new node like
>> this." This is not copying. Ideally it should double dispatching along both
>> axes. I have implemented it as:
>>
>> New_Node := Create (Get_Factory (Some_Existing_Node), ...);
>
> Above, it is the factory function that is "parameterized" on the left-
> hand type
and the right-hand one, which was the point. But it would be enough to give
just two examples, one for LHS, another for RHS:
X : T;
begin
X := Read_From_File; --- LHS
return X; -- RHS in the caller
> - this is still much different from assignment_statement
> (wow!) between two class-wide types.
How is it different? Note that there is little room for how to define
assignment. Within a type hierarchy there are only four variants:
T'Class x T'Class -- non-dispatching
T x T'Class -- dispatches on the target (C++)
T'Class x T' -- dispatches on the source
T x T -- Fully dispatching (Ada*)
In all cases X:=Y will be legal on two class-wide objects.
> I'm still for banning it.
For this you have to make assignment contravariant (non-primitive
operation) in one of its arguments. That would be a total mess, because it
would require overloading assignment for each derived type.
For the same reason all signatures with a class-wide parameter are bad,
because they lead to ambiguities in trivial cases:
type S is new T with ...;
X, Y : S;
X := Y; -- S'Class x S'Class vs T'Class x T'Class?
You will need some sort of dominance rules to resolve that.
P.S. Probably you have in mind a "stratified" assignment which statically
checks that LHS and RHS are of the same type. Ada has it as well. This is
achieved by types cloning upon derivation:
type My_Float is new Float range ...;
-- equivalent to
-- subtype Anonymous is My_Float range ...; -- Same hierarchy
-- type My_Float is new Anonymous; -- Clone it
Unfortunately, which IMO was a big mistake, this mechanism war prohibited
for tagged types.
-----------
* Ada's assignment is doubly dispatching. The dispatching table is a
square, the diagonal of consists of thunks:
Finalize (LHS);
bit-copy (LHS, RHS);
Adjust (LHS);
Non-diagonal elements are:
raise Constraint_Error;
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2007-05-23 19:47 Ada Interfaces and the Liskov Substitution Principle Stefan Lucks
2007-05-23 20:32 ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-05-23 22:00 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-05-24 0:56 ` Anh Vo
2007-05-24 18:27 ` Pascal Obry
2007-05-24 18:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 18:51 ` Pascal Obry
2007-05-24 22:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-05-24 6:57 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-05-23 20:54 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-23 21:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-05-24 7:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-24 8:02 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 12:58 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-24 13:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 22:08 ` Robert A Duff
2007-07-01 1:00 ` David Thompson
2007-05-24 22:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-05-25 7:52 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-25 8:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-25 20:27 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-26 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2007-05-27 8:30 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-27 10:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 8:03 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-29 13:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 13:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 15:34 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-29 17:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-30 7:40 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-30 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-30 12:54 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-30 13:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-30 16:49 ` vgodunko
2007-05-30 20:52 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-05-31 8:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-31 13:46 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-01 7:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-01 13:32 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-01 14:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-01 20:31 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-02 8:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-02 16:49 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-03 7:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-03 22:04 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-04 8:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-04 17:02 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-05 8:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-05 22:12 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-06 8:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-06 14:46 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-06 15:11 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-06-06 15:32 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-05-24 10:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-24 13:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-25 16:59 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-05-28 9:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-28 11:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-28 23:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-29 12:05 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 13:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-29 17:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-29 20:46 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-30 7:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-30 13:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-31 10:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-31 11:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-01 7:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-06-01 10:07 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-06-01 11:41 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-06-01 13:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-28 13:47 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-05-28 23:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-28 13:56 ` Markus E Leypold
2007-05-28 23:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-05-24 7:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 11:12 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-05-24 13:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 14:41 ` Stefan Lucks
2007-05-24 15:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-05-24 15:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
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