From: Mike Charlton <mikechar@nortel.ca>
Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake)
Date: 1997/09/02
Date: 1997-09-02T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1jwoh6bmulc.fsf@nortel.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: N.19970829.uput@sisyphus.demon.co.uk
Dave Sparks <Dave.Sparks@sisyphus.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >>>>> "MC" == Mike Charlton <mikechar@nortel.ca> writes:
>
> MC> ...
>
> MC> I have worked with both large C++ projects and large projects using a
> MC> proprietary language with automatic memory management. Yes, with C++
> MC> we spent a lot of time thinking about memory. However, using
> MC> automatic memory management, we spent a lot of time thinking about
> MC> performance. I'd say it's a bit of a toss up. No one solution will
> MC> work well for every problem.
>
> Are you saying that when you used C++ you spent so much time on
> memory management that you couldn't afford to think about performance?
I'm not sure if that was meant to be a rhetorical question, but in case
it wasn't -- the answer is "No". We just didn't need to spend very much
time tweaking performance. My point was that automatic garbage collection
makes life easier for you. But it doesn't come for free. You *can*
overcome performance difficulties, but I figure it takes about as much
effort as memory stuff using C++ (IMHO, anyway -- YMMV).
Mike
P.S. Please note that the requirements for different projects vary
considerably. What may constitue a performance difficulty in one project
may have no impact on another. I'll use Java, Smalltalk, Eiffel (or
whatever) on projects for which thet make sense. I'll also use C++ on
projects for which it makes sense (and it *does* occasionally :-)).
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1997-08-25 0:00 The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-26 0:00 ` BruceMount
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug28182029@alexandria.organon.com>
[not found] ` <3406C150.3EE5EE0E@stratasys.com>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-02 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
[not found] ` <5u0nil$atg@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
[not found] ` <5u3o1n$hu5@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-28 0:00 ` not
1997-08-26 0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
[not found] ` <JSA.97Aug26153546@alexandria.organon.com>
[not found] ` <34034658.7DE14518@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-27 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <34047A7D.62319AC4@eiffel.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Flavius.Vespasianus
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Charles Ditzel
[not found] ` <01bcb38a$8ddc1200$1c10d30a@ntwneil>
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
[not found] ` <EFnKuI.4rI@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Memory management techniques -- was Re: The great Java showcase Jon S Anthony
1997-08-30 0:00 ` The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Bert Bril
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Mike Charlton
[not found] ` <N.19970829.uput@sisyphus.demon.co.uk>
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Mike Charlton [this message]
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Dave Sparks
[not found] ` <EFn8CI.D9p@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Peter Hermann
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Arthur Nelson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Laurent Guerby
[not found] ` <EFonoz.AFC@ecf.toronto.edu>
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-31 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Lee Webber
1997-08-28 0:00 ` James P. White
[not found] ` <3402FD4D.C196785B@brightwood.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
[not found] <5tvvsj$lh2$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Jeff Brown
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-28 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` James P. White
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
[not found] ` <5u6ovi$5kb$1@news2.digex.net>
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-08-29 0:00 Ell
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1997-08-30 0:00 ` Jay Martin
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Paul Johnson
1997-09-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Martin Tom Brown
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Jeff Kotula
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Veli-Pekka Nousiainen
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-09-13 0:00 ` Mark S. Hathaway
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Des Kenny
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John English
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Des Kenny
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Darren New
1997-09-02 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-08-29 0:00 ` Brett J. Stonier
1997-08-29 0:00 Ell
1997-08-30 0:00 BruceMount
1997-09-04 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
[not found] <97090916235363@psavax.pwfl.com>
1997-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-15 0:00 Ell
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Doc
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
1997-09-16 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-09-17 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
1997-09-17 0:00 Ell
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