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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: about the new Ada 2012 pre/post conditions
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:23:44 +0200
Date: 2012-06-22T09:23:44+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1jvy3elqtnd1j.1sjbk32evhp1f$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: js00co$clj$1@munin.nbi.dk

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:32:21 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:

> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
> news:npdjip6ohqlt$.1x6bxc9jsaago$.dlg@40tude.net...
> ...
>> This is what constitutes the core inconsistency about dynamic
>> pre-/post-conditions. If they #1 implement behavior (e.g the stack contract
>> to raise something when full), then they cannot be suppressed and do not
>> describe the contract. If they do describe the contract #2, they may not
>> implement it and thus shall have no run-time effect.
> 
> You're right, but I don't see any inconsistency. They are clearly #1, and 
> that includes all of the existing Ada checks as well.

If you take a stance on #1, then checking stack full is no more evaluation
of the precondition, which does not depend on the stack state anymore, as
it of course should be. So the "true" precondition is just: True. Then why
on earth anybody would denote it as:

   Pre => not Is_Full (S)

And implementations leaking into declarations is certainly a very bad idea.
An even worse idea is to slice implementations into parts of unclear
purpose. Instead of one package body, the maintainer will have to inspect
the body, and so-.called pre-/post-conditions slices.

Neither #1 nor #2 is defendable.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-22  7:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-20 13:39 about the new Ada 2012 pre/post conditions Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-06-20 14:02 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-20 14:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-20 14:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-06-20 14:37     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-20 17:02       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-20 18:28         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-21 20:32       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-22  7:23         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2012-06-22 11:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-22 12:39             ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-22 12:43             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-22 14:30               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-22 14:36                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-22 15:05                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-22 15:52                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-22 16:35                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-22 16:53                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-22 16:45                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-22 17:24                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-22 19:41           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-22 23:08             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-23 10:46               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-23 11:01                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-23 17:46                   ` AdaMagica
2012-06-23 19:23                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-24 14:59                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-24 16:06                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-24 19:51                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-25  7:48                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-25 10:10                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-25  8:08                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-25 10:17                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-25 11:54                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-25 12:39                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-25 12:51                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-25 13:19                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-25 16:43                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-25 14:08                               ` stefan-lucks
2012-06-25 14:36                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-25 14:37                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-25 16:26                                   ` stefan-lucks
2012-06-25 19:42                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-26 11:50                                       ` stefan-lucks
2012-06-26 13:07                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-26 13:49                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-26 14:45                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-26 16:48                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-26 19:43                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-27  8:23                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-27  8:52                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-27 10:30                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-27 12:19                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-27 13:41                                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2012-06-28  7:00                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-27 15:08                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-29 21:03                                               ` Shark8
2012-06-30  8:26                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-30 12:54                                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-07-05  2:58                                                   ` Shark8
2012-07-05  7:24                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-06  6:23                                                       ` Shark8
2012-07-06  7:57                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-07  1:09                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-07  8:44                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-26 14:54                                           ` stefan-lucks
2012-06-26 15:14                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-03  5:28                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-03 12:53                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-03 13:48                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-03 14:06                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-03 16:12                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-03 16:45                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-05  1:45                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-05  7:48                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-05 19:11                                                   ` Adam Beneschan
2012-07-05 19:55                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-06  7:41                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-06  7:47                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-06  8:05                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-06  8:30                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-06  9:01                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-06 11:33                                                               ` Simon Wright
2012-07-06 13:25                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-06 12:07                                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-06 13:37                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-06 16:17                                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-06 16:34                                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-06 19:18                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-07  1:24                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-07  9:09                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-07  1:18                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-07  9:14                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-07 12:06                                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-07 12:54                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-07 13:31                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-03  5:10                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-03  4:51               ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-03 12:46                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-05  2:18                   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-05  8:48                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-05 12:07                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-05 12:13                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-05 12:31                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-05 18:16                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-05 19:57                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-06  6:53                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-07  0:43                       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-07-07  8:06                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-07 11:17                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-07 11:31                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-07-07 12:21                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-07-07 13:03                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-20 19:18 ` Anh Vo
2012-06-20 20:16 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2012-06-20 20:21   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2012-06-20 20:51   ` Maciej Sobczak
2012-06-20 21:04     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-06-20 22:19   ` Robert A Duff
2012-06-21  6:32     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-06-21 20:37   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-21 20:55     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-06-22 19:15       ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-21 20:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-06-22  7:34   ` Martin
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