From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: GtkAda using Glade
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:28:16 +0200
Date: 2011-05-19T12:28:16+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ib5galc2x8sa$.14pxbga0o1sz0$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ir2psc$gjr$1@dont-email.me
On Thu, 19 May 2011 12:02:55 +0200, J-P. Rosen wrote:
> Le 19/05/2011 09:36, Dmitry A. Kazakov a �crit :
>> That's the point. If the GUI logic could be separated from the program
>> logic, which is a Holy Grail, but absolutely unrealistic, then it would be
>> no matter in which language the stuff was generated, Ada or C. You would
>> not never look at it.
>>
>> Unfortunately the reality is that the GUI and the functional part of the
>> program are tightly interwoven. Therefore you need to be in full control of
>> both and want to shape the program's structure as you want for the sake of
>> clear design and maintainability (Ada's strengths). Any automatically
>> generated code is just an obstacle here.
>>
>> Sorry for sounding daemon's voice again. (:-))
>>
> I think you should really give Glade a try (I think you said you
> didn't). Creating the various widgets (with appropriate parameters!),
> stuffing them into containers, connecting call-backs constitute a really
> boring (and error-prone) part of the development.
(That is because they are generics in GtkAda, should have been primitive
operations, but that would require making GtkAda thick bindings)
> That's what Glade does for you.
That is easy, comparing to widget subclassing (adding new signals,
properties, resource properties). Then there are custom non-widget objects
to create, e.g. cell renderers, tree stores, interfaces etc. I just don't
believe that any tool could handle this mess. (Gtk is a mess)
BTW, most boring are not handlers but things like putting a limited
component into the widget (for some reason Gtk_Widget_Record is not
limited).
I am almost sure that even handling signals does not really work with
Glade. I don't mean button click events. What about hard stuff, like events
passing parameters accessible only through GValue? There are lots of. What
about passing closure-parameters in events? That is when the receiver
object may disappear before the sender (the callback must be disconnected
before)
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-17 23:58 GtkAda using Glade Gary
2011-05-18 1:14 ` John B. Matthews
2011-05-18 11:56 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-18 13:58 ` Gary
2011-05-18 17:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-18 18:24 ` Gary
2011-05-18 18:27 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-18 18:42 ` Gary
2011-05-18 21:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-18 22:09 ` Gary
2011-05-18 23:15 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-19 1:52 ` Gary
2011-05-19 5:25 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-19 9:23 ` Manuel Collado
2011-05-19 9:57 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-18 20:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-18 20:45 ` Gary
2011-05-19 7:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-19 10:02 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-19 10:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2011-05-19 15:53 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-19 22:57 ` Gary
2011-05-20 0:54 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-20 1:41 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-05-20 7:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 7:34 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-05-20 7:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 0:26 ` Gautier write-only
2011-05-20 7:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 9:50 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-22 6:22 ` Gautier write-only
2011-05-22 7:04 ` Gautier write-only
2011-05-22 8:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 0:49 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-20 7:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-20 8:01 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-20 10:00 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-20 12:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-19 5:18 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-19 5:12 ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-18 23:31 ` Rick
2011-05-19 1:52 ` Gary
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