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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:56:45 +0100
Date: 2014-10-30T09:56:45+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1i3ybg2vfpww7$.blbdxnclootv$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m2rmt3$3bn$1@dont-email.me

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:40:58 +0100, Georg Bauhaus wrote:

> On 29.10.14 21:43, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> E.g. if
>> programmers refused to work on a new aircraft there would be none and the
>> country could become defenseless.
> 
> There is a premiss not mentioned in this, which if mentioned,
> would depict Mahatma Gandhi as an amoral person.

He possibly was. But I wrote about evidently criminal orders, which justify
actions like public disobedience. Using C++ is not criminal, not even
amoral. It is only stupid. Stupidity is not a crime.

The hidden point was that the theory of small deeds is all wrong. You
cannot rely on humans acting morally, e.g. choosing Ada being under
economical, social and other pressures to choose C++. It would not work.
And it is not engineering, which in essence is about making things *less*
dependent on human decisions, in particular, putting moral out of the
equation.

> The premiss
> is that a people, in order to be free, needs staffed and
> unstaffed flying weapons, or, generalizing, people all need to
> carry and use guns, knives, pepper spray, tasers, etc.)

Maybe true, but this is a difficult question of balance.

> Considering northern Mesopotamia, many agree at this time,
> even outside the USA, but aircraft does not seem to be the
> most effective defense right now.

Actually it is. The problem is how the weapon applied. There are
constraints put by politicians which prevent its effective usage, or
sometimes any meaningful usage. Military under democracy is meant to be
ineffective, beginning with Athens expedition to Syracuse and on...

> Considering India, many once disagreed.
> Is there a single conclusion to be drawn?

Considering what followed, split of the country, religious war, millions of
dead and refugees, the conflict that keeps on going for a half of century,
maybe India would be better off without this...

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

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Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-26 18:31 F-22 ADA Programming nathandsash
2014-10-26 19:02 ` Martyn Pike
2014-10-26 21:20 ` David Botton
2014-10-26 23:24   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-26 23:55     ` David Botton
2014-11-14 22:54       ` rriehle
2014-11-14 23:46         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-11-15  6:43           ` wilson
2014-11-15 17:49             ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-11-15 21:28         ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-16  9:57           ` Jean François Martinez
2014-11-16 22:26             ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-17  0:33               ` Jean François Martinez
2014-10-27  0:13     ` Robert A Duff
2014-10-27  0:31       ` David Botton
2014-10-27 10:17         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-27 10:47           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-10-27 15:06         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 22:32           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-10-27  6:28       ` Pascal Obry
2014-10-27 15:04     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 15:17       ` Björn Lundin
2014-10-27 15:41       ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-27 16:01         ` Robert A Duff
2014-10-27 20:16         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28  8:45         ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-10-28 11:58           ` Bill White
2014-10-28 14:56             ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 19:36               ` Bill White
2014-10-28 18:29           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-28 18:37             ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 19:14               ` David Botton
2014-10-28 21:06               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-28 21:32                 ` Simon Clubley
2014-10-28 21:37                 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 23:59                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29  0:34                     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-29  5:24                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29  8:37                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-29 17:20                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29 20:43                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-29 20:55                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29 21:40                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-30  8:56                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2014-11-08  4:52                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-08  8:12                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-30 15:38                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-30 15:49                               ` Alan Jump
2014-10-30 22:33                                 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-10-30 23:13                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-30 16:07                               ` Bill White
2014-10-30 22:37                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-31  9:41                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-31 12:51                                     ` Brad Moore
2014-11-01  3:03                                     ` C versus Ada (once again :-)), was: " Simon Clubley
2014-11-01 13:35                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-03  1:54                                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03  9:42                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-03 12:07                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-04  2:01                                             ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03 14:26                                           ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-01 13:46                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-03  2:01                                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03  9:10                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-03 12:09                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-03 12:40                                       ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-03 21:58                                         ` Shark8
2014-11-03 22:28                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-04 13:42                                           ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-04 15:01                                             ` G.B.
2014-11-04 15:50                                               ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-31 10:11                                   ` Bill White
2014-10-31 12:52                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-02 15:40                                       ` Bill White
2014-11-02 22:23                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-02 22:52                                           ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-03  1:36                                           ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03 19:04                                           ` Laurent
2014-10-31 13:24                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-11-08  4:45                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-08 23:43                   ` Shark8
2014-11-09  8:39                     ` Simon Wright
2014-11-09 20:53                       ` Shark8
2014-10-28 19:18             ` Simon Clubley
2014-10-27 16:34       ` David Botton
2014-10-27 16:51         ` brbarkstrom
2014-10-27 18:03           ` G.B.
2014-10-27 22:06             ` Simon Wright
2014-10-28  9:40               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-27 20:06         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 20:21           ` David Botton
2014-10-28 11:34       ` tonyg
2014-10-27 17:01     ` Pascal Obry
2014-10-27  4:53 ` Jerry Petrey
2014-10-29  1:49   ` F-35 (was:F-22 ADA Programming) Robert Love
2014-10-30  9:01     ` Frédéric Praca
2014-10-30  9:07       ` Frédéric Praca
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