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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Running a preprocessor from GPS?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:19:56 +0200
Date: 2015-07-30T11:19:56+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ggy6i9vo127j.2qyngc2388wo.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: b68e14e7-e304-4220-81f5-67a88cef5767@googlegroups.com

On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 01:45:18 -0700 (PDT), EGarrulo wrote:

> Exceptions in Ada cannot carry contextual information,

Which is right and important, semantically. The context is dead, not
carrying corpses...

Ada's model (and of C++ as well) is leave first, handle later. An
alternative model in early languages, like in PL/1: handle, then return,
proved to be useless.

> Where
> is the usefulness of knowing that something has gone awry,
> without any context?

Of course there is a context, this is the context of the handler. See
above, it is an important semantic of the design. An exceptional state is
one that *cannot* be handled on the context it occurred. That is the whole
idea. If you could handle it, you would right at the point. Exception
propagation is looking for a context where you can handle the exception. 

Note also decoupling, an important thing from the SW design POV. Neither
context need not to know anything about the other.

> For example: "'File not found?' What file
> was the program trying to open, and why?"

Yes, how the OS (the exception context) is supposed to know this? The
handler's context knows it fine, because it is where file was attempted to
open.

> In embedded software,
> it makes sense to avoid memory allocations while raising an
> exception, but elsewhere?

Everywhere. It is about limiting the side effects of an action. Exceptions,
since more than frequently, are misused for dealing with bugs, are first
candidates to limit side effects as much as possible.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de


  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-30  9:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 175+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-27 14:28 Running a preprocessor from GPS? EGarrulo
2015-07-27 16:47 ` David Botton
2015-07-27 17:17   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-27 20:26 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-27 21:14   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-27 22:23     ` EGarrulo
2015-07-28  7:23       ` Simon Wright
2015-07-28 11:36   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-28 21:12     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28 22:11       ` EGarrulo
2015-07-28 22:41         ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29  9:52           ` G.B.
2015-07-29 20:32         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-29 22:32           ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 23:51             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-30  0:10               ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30  6:01                 ` Niklas Holsti
2015-07-30  7:33                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-30  8:03                     ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30  8:08                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-07-30  8:37                         ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30  8:49                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30 12:15                             ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 14:11                               ` G.B.
2015-07-30 19:29                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-30 20:53                             ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 22:52                               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-31  7:29                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-31  7:53                               ` gautier_niouzes
2015-07-31  8:26                               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-31  9:13                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-31  9:31                                   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-31 11:01                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-31 13:50                                       ` EGarrulo
2015-07-31 16:29                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-31 11:26                               ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-31 12:12                                 ` EGarrulo
2015-07-31 12:15                                 ` EGarrulo
2015-07-31 17:54                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-31 18:20                                   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-31 18:51                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-01  7:20                                     ` Simon Wright
2015-08-01  8:06                                       ` EGarrulo
2015-08-01  8:33                                         ` Simon Wright
2015-08-01 10:47                                           ` EGarrulo
2015-08-01 11:27                                             ` Simon Wright
2015-08-01 11:44                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2015-08-01 12:19                                               ` EGarrulo
2015-08-01 17:49                                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-01 18:15                                                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-08-01 18:59                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-01 20:30                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-08-01 20:44                                                   ` EGarrulo
2015-08-01 22:44                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-01 23:39                                                       ` EGarrulo
2015-08-02  0:02                                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-02  0:18                                                           ` EGarrulo
2015-08-02  0:30                                                           ` EGarrulo
2015-08-02  6:05                                                             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-02  8:29                                                               ` EGarrulo
2015-08-02 19:21                                                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-02 21:37                                                                   ` EGarrulo
2015-08-03  2:35                                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-02  2:53                                                       ` Paul Rubin
2015-08-02  6:07                                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-02  8:36                                                         ` EGarrulo
2015-08-01 16:53                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-01 17:00                                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-01  7:48                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30  8:23                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30  8:45                         ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30  9:19                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2015-07-30 11:22                           ` Niklas Holsti
2015-07-30 13:00                             ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 13:30                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 13:51                                 ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 14:13                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 14:46                                     ` Simon Wright
2015-07-30 14:31                           ` G.B.
2015-07-30 18:46                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30  9:18                         ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 18:55                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30 19:32                             ` EGarrulo
2015-07-31  0:10                               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30 11:35                         ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-30 13:30                           ` EGarrulo
2015-07-31 11:07                             ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-30  8:28                       ` Pascal Obry
2015-07-30 12:00                         ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 10:01                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-30 10:59                         ` Pascal Obry
2015-07-30 11:21                       ` gautier_niouzes
2015-07-30 18:35                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-31 15:21                     ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-07-31 17:28                       ` Pascal Obry
2015-08-01 11:38                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-08-01 20:07                         ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-08-03 23:26                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30  6:08             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30  6:37             ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30  8:27             ` Pascal Obry
2015-07-30  9:22               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 11:51               ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 12:23                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 13:55                   ` Niklas Holsti
2015-08-30  7:03                     ` David Thompson
2015-07-30 14:07                   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 18:12                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-30 18:51                   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 19:27                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-30 19:54                       ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 22:53                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-30 23:58                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30 11:54               ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 12:42                 ` Pascal Obry
2015-07-30 13:21                   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 13:38                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 13:55                       ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 15:23             ` Niklas Holsti
2015-07-30 19:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30 20:10               ` EGarrulo
2015-07-31  0:23                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-31  6:29                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-08-02 10:08                   ` EGarrulo
2015-08-02 12:15                     ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 23:45           ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30  0:25             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-30  8:12               ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 18:01                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-29  6:46       ` Simon Wright
2015-07-29  7:17         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-29 19:57         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-29 20:09           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-30 18:16             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-29 20:38           ` Simon Wright
2015-07-30  7:50             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-07-30 14:48               ` G.B.
2015-07-30 15:58                 ` Simon Wright
2015-07-30 15:13             ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 15:21               ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 15:29               ` G.B.
2015-07-30 16:02               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-30 16:15               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-30 16:29                 ` EGarrulo
2015-07-30 17:31                   ` Simon Wright
2015-07-28 10:28 ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-28 11:39   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 10:02     ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-29 10:29     ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-29 12:00       ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 19:23         ` gautier_niouzes
2015-07-28 11:43 ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-28 11:51   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-28 12:06     ` EGarrulo
2015-07-28 12:54       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-28 13:18         ` EGarrulo
2015-07-28 13:49           ` EGarrulo
2015-07-28 14:02             ` Bob Duff
2015-07-28 14:57             ` G.B.
2015-07-28 15:36           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-29  7:15           ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-07-29  7:52             ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 17:30               ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-07-29 18:49                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-29 20:40                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30  7:40                     ` gautier_niouzes
2015-07-30 19:22                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28 13:06       ` G.B.
2015-07-28 13:19         ` EGarrulo
2015-07-28 20:55           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28 22:31             ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 20:09               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-29 22:40                 ` EGarrulo
2015-07-28 12:07     ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-31 19:44 ` Per Sandberg
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