From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Properties
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:34:21 +0100
Date: 2010-11-29T09:34:21+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1f9la9inb7hou.50293r1dkf6h$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7c064ffc-8454-471f-bade-62b4309b7290@v19g2000yqa.googlegroups.com
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:43:12 -0800 (PST), Shark8 wrote:
> On Nov 28, 1:15�am, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:21:55 -0800 (PST), Shark8 wrote:
>>> I would like to submit a proposal for future Ada development; namely
>>> "Properties."
>>
>> Instead of properties I would prefer a full abstraction of record, array,
>> access, numeric types. E.g. you declare something as a record of certain
>> members and privately implement it as another record with other members or
>> as anything you like providing operations to read/write the publicly
>> declared members. I think it is a more simple and more natural to Ada model
>> than properties.
>
> I'm not sure I see the difference between properties and your "full-
> abstraction"; that is to say, aren't properties merely a way of
> implementing that sort of abstraction (though with the additional
> option of being read-only or write-only)?
You want to expose something as a property, I want to hide the
implementation making the clients think of the thing in the terms I
defined.
> Couldn't we have something similar to
>
> Type Something is record
> S : String_Property;
> end record;
type Something is private record
S : String;
end record;
or
type Properly_Designed_Unbounded_String is
private array (Positive range <>) of Character;
> Or am I completely misunderstanding your intent?
> Also, do you have a possible syntax for these abstractions? {it may
> help me fully-understand your position.}
I would use the word "private" to indicate that the implementation follows
in the private part, e.g.
type Impossible_In_Ada is private array (Positive range <>) of T'Class;
private
type Impossible_In_Ada is record
... -- The type is implemented as a record type
end record;
... -- Overriding of the array interface operations required
Furthermore, I want record, array, access, number be interfaces. I.e. you
should be able to hang, for example, a record view on any type you wanted:
type S is new T and record Foo : String end record with ...;
Note it is not an extension of S with a new member. It is adding an
interface making S appear to have the component Foo. The physical
implementation might ibe overriding the primitive operation ".Foo"
(getter/setter), or indeed an extension (implementation of a component by a
component).
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2010-11-28 3:21 Properties Shark8
2010-11-28 8:15 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-28 19:43 ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-29 8:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2010-12-01 18:15 ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-28 12:37 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-11-28 21:22 ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-29 16:54 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-01 19:52 ` Properties Martin Krischik
2010-12-01 23:24 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-05 16:15 ` (placepo) Properties Martin Krischik
2010-12-06 23:24 ` Shark8
2010-12-01 23:31 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-11-30 1:49 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-11-30 16:58 ` Properties Charmed Snark
2010-11-30 17:22 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-30 20:27 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 8:39 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 15:21 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 15:59 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 16:20 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 18:22 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 19:36 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-01 21:13 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 21:35 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-01 21:45 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 9:57 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 10:26 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 15:25 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 15:46 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 21:11 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 22:19 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-03 4:43 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 13:53 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-03 21:32 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 22:13 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-06 23:30 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 23:33 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 17:43 ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-04 20:48 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-04 22:27 ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-04 22:31 ` Properties Vinzent Hoefler
2010-12-03 4:24 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 5:00 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 21:10 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 23:34 ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-06 6:02 ` Properties Brad Moore
2010-12-06 23:25 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-01 19:48 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-01 21:10 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 0:03 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-02 16:45 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 17:32 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 20:45 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 21:17 ` Properties Adam Beneschan
2010-12-02 21:40 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 3:34 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 8:16 ` Properties Thomas Løcke
2010-12-02 20:52 ` Properties Pascal Obry
2010-12-02 19:46 ` Properties Adam Beneschan
2010-12-02 20:38 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 21:39 ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-02 21:55 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 9:33 ` Properties Anonymous
2010-12-03 3:47 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 0:09 ` Properties Robert A Duff
2010-12-03 15:49 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 20:07 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 21:01 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-06 23:22 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-07 14:37 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-08 21:13 ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-09 1:21 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 23:43 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-07 0:56 ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-07 11:23 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-07 11:51 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-07 15:35 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-07 17:02 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-07 14:39 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 15:40 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 19:56 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 20:12 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 5:53 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 9:05 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-03 19:52 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 21:14 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 5:35 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 14:23 ` Properties Peter C. Chapin
2010-12-04 18:53 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-13 15:10 ` Properties Brian Drummond
2010-12-03 22:38 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-04 3:12 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 13:19 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
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2010-12-04 19:53 Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 23:27 ` Properties Thomas Løcke
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