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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Interpretation of extensions different from Unix/Linux?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:01:35 +0200
Date: 2009-08-14T10:01:02+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1f999bfa99erz$.9b8p6yymr8x7$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: h62qr6$23c$1@munin.nbi.dk

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:56:03 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:

> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
> news:iavqqy3ue6ne$.uxihdofxdalx.dlg@40tude.net...
> ...
>> Latin-1 is a limitation that makes impossible to write OS-independent
>> programs. BTW, I didn't check it but I suppose that the GNAT implementation
>> is not even Latin-1, it is in fact UTF-8, at least under Linux. So it is
>> broken twice. Once per design, once by the implementation to fix broken
>> design.
> 
> Actually, the use of UTF-8 in this way is the recommendation of the ARG. We 
> have no plans of changing any of the file handling routines away from 
> String. We may add some Implementation Advice to make it clear that 
> implementations are advised to support UTF-8 encoded file names.

The problem is 3.5.2 which claims that Character is Latin-1.

(UTF-8 is a problem of its own in Ada. We need a private type with two
interfaces. One of Wide_Wide_String another of an array of octets. Ada
cannot provide this.)

>>>> 3. Even so it provides no way to get the name of the root
>>>
>>> Because it is OS neutral, and there is no independent concept of a root.
>>
>> An OS-neutral Ada.Directories would provide enumeration of roots. Any
>> usable Ada.Directories must have the concept of roots nodes.
> 
> Enumeration of roots is impractible on Windows, because every possible file 
> share would have to be included in such a list (including any that don't 
> have permissions to read). That would be impossibly slow, and pretty 
> pointless to boot. It also would cause problems with removable disks 
> (Windows gives a failure if you try to enumerate an empty floppy disk). I've 
> dealt with those headaches from our compiler installer, and I wouldn't want 
> to force them on other users of Ada.

Same to me. But it is required to make Ada.Directories any usable.

Presently I use Exists in a loop through "A".."Z" + "/". That works both
under Linux and Windows. Do you think that is *better*?! (:-))

> If you can't do it reasonably in Windows, it surely doesn't belong in 
> Ada.Directories.

The MS-explorer does not drop that nasty c0000013 pop up window when
started. From this I conclude there should be a way to.

Technically, it is certainly possible, for example (a bit exaggerated), do
system with "cmd" on "dir A:". If the output is "The system cannot find the
path ,specified." (in the current locale (:-)), there is no "A:". Repeat up
to "Z:"... (:-))

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-14  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-01 17:53 Interpretation of extensions different from Unix/Linux? vlc
2009-08-02 17:13 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-08-04 11:31   ` vlc
2009-08-04 11:44     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-08-04 11:57       ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-08-04 12:29         ` vlc
2009-08-04 13:43         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14  4:33           ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14  7:37             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-04 12:25       ` vlc
2009-08-04 19:18         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-04 19:52           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-04 20:45             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-04 21:22               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-04 22:04                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-05  8:33                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-05 16:07                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-05 16:35                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-05 17:49                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-05 18:16                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-05 19:27                             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-05 19:50                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-05 20:46                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-06  7:43                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-05 21:33                               ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-05 19:45                           ` vlc
2009-08-05 19:56                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14  4:56                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14  8:01                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2009-08-14 23:02                         ` Adam Beneschan
2009-08-14 23:54                         ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-15  8:10                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-15 12:49                             ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-15 13:23                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-15 15:11                                 ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-15 17:11                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-15 20:07                                     ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-16  7:26                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-17 22:28                             ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-18  0:32                               ` Adam Beneschan
2009-08-18 20:48                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-19  4:08                                   ` stefan-lucks
2009-08-19 22:01                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-19  7:37                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-08-19 16:10                                   ` Adam Beneschan
2009-08-19 22:11                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-18  7:48                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-18 20:37                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-19  8:04                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-19 10:32                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-08-19 12:11                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-19 15:21                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-08-19 22:40                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-20  8:00                                       ` Variable- and fixed-length-character strings (Was: Interpretation of extensions different from Unix/Linux?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-08-20 19:40                                       ` Interpretation of extensions different from Unix/Linux? Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-21  0:08                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-21  7:43                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-21 22:10                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-22  7:27                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-09-01  1:50                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-09-01  7:28                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-09-02  3:41                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2009-09-02  7:17                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-09-02 19:49                                                         ` tmoran
2009-09-03  7:41                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-09-03 17:27                                                             ` tmoran
2009-09-03 20:44                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-09-03 22:22                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-09-04  7:40                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-09-05  1:58                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-09-05  2:08                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-09-05  8:59                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-21 10:11                                           ` Enumeration of network shared under Windows (was: Interpretation of extensions different from Unix/Linux?) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-15 16:01                           ` Interpretation of extensions different from Unix/Linux? Vadim Godunko
2009-08-16 13:13                           ` Stephen Leake
2009-08-14  4:46                 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14  9:00                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-04 21:19           ` vlc
2009-08-14  5:19     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14  6:13       ` Wilcards in Linux (was: Interpretation of extensions different from Unix/Linux?) stefan-lucks
2009-08-14  6:24         ` stefan-lucks
2009-08-14 10:05         ` Wilcards in Linux Markus Schoepflin
2009-08-14 10:22           ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-08-14 18:20             ` Tero Koskinen
2009-08-19 20:39       ` Interpretation of extensions different from Unix/Linux? Keith Thompson
2009-08-19 22:09         ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-20  7:49           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-08-20 15:56             ` Adam Beneschan
2009-08-20 21:58               ` sjw
2009-08-20 19:44             ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-20 21:34               ` Adam Beneschan
2009-08-20 22:03                 ` (see below)
2009-08-21  0:55                 ` tmoran
2009-08-20 23:55               ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-21 17:58               ` Keith Thompson
2009-08-21 18:34                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-21 19:32                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-21 21:34                 ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-21 22:06                   ` Hyman Rosen
2009-08-24 19:51                   ` Keith Thompson
2009-08-28  0:27                     ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-28 13:15                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2009-08-28 15:02                         ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-21  8:45             ` Stephen Leake
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