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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Ada design bug or GNAT bug?
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:38:50 +0200
Date: 2015-06-23T16:38:50+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1f6dpcxmxly1a$.zfhetu1wgtix$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 58f64fa9-7d0b-44dd-870c-77d9afcb82c4@googlegroups.com

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 06:06:13 -0700 (PDT), vincent.diemunsch@gmail.com
wrote:

> I regard the refusal to create a "class type", like Ichbiah wanted it,
> just like we have a protected type and a task type, as the root of evil.

Ada's was is the only consistent way.

> For the OOP concept is based on an interface that is the same and
> instances that are different realizations of the same concept.

This is an inconsistent concept if taken literally. OOP never talk about
types being same. It does about same *behavior*. This is miles over miles
different. T and T'Class behave as if they were same in some contexts, but
they are not same from any point of view. Remember that class is a set of
types. A set is never equal to its instances. T'Class is a closure of
class. Closure of a set is not equal to an element of the set.

> One may think that the distinction between class type and tagged type is
> subtle, but the implications of it are huge : without class object one
> needs as replacement access to a class wide type.

Why?

(Access types appeared for having the Rosen's trick and working around
missing proper constructors and destructors.)

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-23 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-20 18:55 Ada design bug or GNAT bug? Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-21  2:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-21  6:47   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-22 17:39     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-22 18:16       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 11:00         ` G.B.
2015-06-23 14:27           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 11:45         ` G.B.
2015-06-23 14:30           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-02 22:22         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-03  8:02           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-03 17:33             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-03 21:34               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-04  3:11                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-04 12:14                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-05  0:53                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-22 18:27       ` Shark8
2015-06-23 11:51         ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-06-23 19:55           ` Shark8
2015-06-23 13:06         ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-06-23 14:30           ` David Botton
2015-06-23 15:57             ` Niklas Holsti
2015-06-23 16:01               ` G.B.
2015-06-23 18:05               ` David Botton
2015-06-23 19:38               ` David Botton
2015-06-23 14:38           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2015-06-23 16:57             ` Vincent
2015-06-23 17:15               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 19:14                 ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-06-23 19:33                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 17:42           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-02 22:06           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-04  1:52             ` Shark8
2015-07-04  3:24               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-04 11:02                 ` Build-in-place semantics? (Was: Ada design bug or GNAT bug?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-07-04 12:15                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-05  0:45                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-05  7:10                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-05  0:40                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-04 14:05                 ` Ada design bug or GNAT bug? Bob Duff
2015-07-04  7:46               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-04 12:00                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-05  0:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-06 12:37             ` Vincent
2015-07-06 20:05               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-07  8:06               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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