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From: David Botton <david@botton.com>
Subject: Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 06:21:09 -0800 (PST)
Date: 2014-11-12T06:21:09-08:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ac854d1-36b7-4d06-b673-ad25cdb71736@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3vmlm$r0v$1@dont-email.me>

> > Add to that the the GPL compiler has completely closed down all advocacy of Ada for the business world.
> 
> Has the GPL branch produced an opportunity for other compiler makers?

The opportunity is there, however none have taken it. Partly because unfamiliarity with how to monetize Open Source projects, which in the case of most companies to date it is through selling "Support" not the code or executables as the product.

> I understand that they, too, would mostly require customers with
> deeper pockets.

It is not required. It is one market. The problem is that Ada vendors got lazy pursuing other venues since there was easy pickin' on the government cheese.

> As a new customer, I would be
> 
> (1) needing an affordable compiler (Ada 2005, generics working)
> (2) be fine with reduced support (cf. Apple, MS, etc.!)

And you are the majority software developers even for Ada. I placed a business proposal in AdaCore's hands this last Monday to target your market. That proposal lays out how I plan on doing it with their being part or not.


> and compiler vendors would need
> 
> (3) protection against freeloaders destroying their full support
> business.

No, what they need is a good product. AdaCore has that. No one that can afford their support walks away because of bad service. It was shortsighted thinking on their part to make their public version Shareware killing off all startups and serious business investments in Ada.

That is my goal to correct that. I'll be posting various aspects of the Gnoga business model soon, today I will be starting with its goals in another post.

> For (3) to work, have contracts include a clause that limits
> customers who want to employ the affordable compiler in unjust
> enrichment.

Unjust.... I am afraid that thinking is pre-the FSF movement, Gnat is built on GCC and has to be released GPL and the US taxpayer money which also required it be freely available, etc.

Would you say it is unjust that AdaCore is profiting on GCC?

AdaCore has _not been_ unjust, even though not super timely, they have given back to the FSF updates.

They are just outside the "spirit" and "intent" of the above and doing things to hurt Ada advocacy outside of their niche market.

Yes Stallman's position is that he wished he could put a GPL Virus in the compiler, but he states clearly he _didn't_ to advocate the use of Free software...

So let's see AdaCore is not encouraging Free software development OR Ada advocacy by having replaced the runtime on their public version.

What they did was create a Shareware version of GNAT that is intended to make others think that GNAT can not be used for professional use if not their Pro version.

I still am happy they still put out the GPL version despite that it is Shareware. Since without it they would have totally killed the Ada community not just maimed it. 

I am certainly hoping they continue to put out a GPL version but I am pushing and _investing_ time and money with the hope they will match to go back to GMGPL and be part of the new movement to push Ada for general purpose application development.

David Botton




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2014-11-10  9:30 What exactly is the licensing situation with Gnat? Hubert
2014-11-10 10:03 ` Markus Schöpflin
2014-11-10 10:38 ` What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-11-10 11:09   ` Hubert
2014-11-10 11:19     ` Markus Schöpflin
2014-11-10 15:45       ` David Botton
2014-11-11  0:09         ` Hubert
2014-11-11 10:54           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-11 11:05             ` Hubert
2014-11-11 13:37           ` john
2014-11-11 22:52             ` Hubert
2014-11-11 23:10               ` David Botton
2014-11-11 23:25                 ` Alan Jump
2014-11-12  0:50                   ` David Botton
2014-11-12  1:02                     ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-12  7:09                       ` Gour
2014-11-12 11:06                         ` David Botton
2014-11-12  7:41                       ` Simon Wright
2014-11-13  1:30                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-12  1:15                     ` Hubert
2014-11-12  1:24                       ` David Botton
2014-11-12  1:33                         ` Hubert
2014-11-12  7:13                         ` Gour
2014-11-12 10:56                           ` David Botton
2014-11-12  8:12                         ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12  8:35                           ` Hubert
2014-11-12  9:25                             ` Mark Carroll
2014-11-12  9:37                               ` Hubert
2014-11-12 10:31                                 ` jm.tarrasa
2014-11-12 10:43                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-11-12 10:44                                   ` Hubert
2014-11-12 12:06                                     ` Gour
2014-11-12 12:38                                       ` David Botton
2014-11-12 15:23                                         ` Gour
2014-11-12 16:30                                           ` David Botton
2014-11-12 13:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-12 22:53                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-12 23:21                                       ` David Botton
2014-11-13  1:49                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  8:18                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13 21:51                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  8:36                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14 22:24                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14 22:43                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-11-15  9:18                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18  0:37                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-18  9:04                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14  4:51                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  5:12                                           ` David Botton
2014-11-14  6:13                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  8:40                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14 22:29                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-15  9:29                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15  9:40                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2014-11-15 11:18                                                     ` Tero Koskinen
2014-11-15 11:36                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18  0:28                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-18  9:20                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18 22:25                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-19  9:10                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-19 23:59                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-20  9:53                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-20 21:23                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-21  9:38                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-21 22:12                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-22  9:21                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 17:32                                           ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-15 19:58                                             ` 'Image (was: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-18  0:39                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-18  8:20                                                 ` 'Image Björn Lundin
2014-11-18 22:29                                                   ` 'Image Randy Brukardt
2014-11-19 13:46                                               ` 'Image (was: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Brian Drummond
2014-11-19 14:21                                                 ` 'Image G.B.
2014-11-20 13:32                                                   ` 'Image Brian Drummond
2014-11-13  0:48                                       ` What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? sbelmont700
2014-11-13  1:31                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  1:29                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  8:03                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13 22:22                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13 16:26                                         ` Tero Koskinen
2014-11-13 22:29                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  1:54                                       ` Hubert
2014-11-13  2:04                                         ` Hubert
2014-11-13  7:53                                         ` Luther Bogart
2014-11-13  7:58                                           ` Luther Bogart
2014-11-13 16:38                                         ` Tero Koskinen
2014-11-13 21:57                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13 22:02                                           ` Mark Carroll
2014-11-13 22:43                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-11-14  1:36                                             ` Hubert
2014-11-14  4:45                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  5:24                                                 ` Hubert
2014-11-14  8:51                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14  9:02                                                 ` Stan Mills
2014-11-14 10:14                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14 10:38                                                     ` Stan Mills
2014-11-14 12:57                                                       ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-14 22:33                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-17  8:28                                                         ` Stan Mills
2014-11-14 13:35                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-14 15:29                                                         ` Things that OO programming lacks (was: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) G.B.
2014-11-14 16:32                                                           ` Things that OO programming lacks Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 19:46                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-16 10:18                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-16 18:51                                                                 ` Shark8
2014-11-16 19:33                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 15:17                                                                 ` G.B.
2014-11-17 17:28                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 18:23                                                                     ` G.B.
2014-11-17 20:02                                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-17 21:05                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18 10:14                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-18 13:42                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-18 18:50                                                                             ` G.B.
2014-11-18 19:18                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 19:21                                                                     ` Shark8
2014-11-17 20:44                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-16 17:54                                                             ` Simon Wright
2014-11-16 19:01                                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2014-11-16 19:14                                                                 ` Simon Wright
2014-11-16 19:39                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-16 20:33                                                                 ` Simon Wright
2014-11-17  8:44                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 14:29                                                                     ` Simon Wright
2014-11-17 17:38                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17  8:36                                                         ` What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? Stan Mills
2014-11-17 11:03                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17 14:20                                                             ` G.B.
2014-11-14  9:19                                                 ` Hubert
2014-11-14 10:30                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15  1:00                                                     ` Hubert
2014-11-15  1:24                                                       ` Hubert
2014-11-15  9:45                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 10:27                                                           ` Hubert
2014-11-15 19:44                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2014-11-15  7:22                                                       ` Gour
2014-11-15  9:57                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 10:51                                                           ` Gour
2014-11-15 11:26                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-15 12:41                                                               ` Gour
2014-11-15 13:18                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17  8:11                                                     ` Stan Mills
2014-11-17  8:28                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-17  8:48                                                         ` Stan Mills
2014-11-17 10:40                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-13  8:03                                       ` Pete Ballmer
2014-11-13  8:41                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13  8:59                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-12 11:18                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-13  0:01                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-13  0:03                                     ` David Botton
2014-11-12 11:15                                 ` David Botton
2014-11-13 23:56                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-14  7:50                                     ` community-based compiler (was Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Gour
2014-11-14  7:57                                       ` community-based compiler Gour
2014-11-14 14:53                                       ` community-based compiler (was Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14 14:57                                         ` David Botton
2014-11-14 16:16                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14 16:34                                             ` David Botton
2014-11-14 16:42                                               ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-16 19:30                                               ` community-based compiler Florian Weimer
2014-11-14 15:27                                         ` Gour
2014-11-14 16:16                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14 16:26                                             ` Gour
2014-11-14 16:48                                               ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-16 19:31                                                 ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-14 16:03                                         ` community-based compiler (was Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Tero Koskinen
2014-11-14 22:40                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-15  1:07                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-15  8:08                                           ` community-based compiler Gour
2014-11-16 19:29                                         ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-14 17:13                                       ` community-based compiler (was Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT?) Shark8
2014-11-14 18:55                                         ` David Botton
2014-11-14 20:53                                           ` Shark8
2014-11-14 21:07                                             ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14 22:35                                               ` Shark8
2014-11-15  1:07                                                 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-18  0:52                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-18  3:06                                                     ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-18  9:25                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-18 22:33                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-15 12:44                                             ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-15 22:47                                               ` Shark8
2014-11-16 11:12                                                 ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-16 21:38                                                   ` Shark8
2014-11-17 11:28                                               ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-11-19 13:48                                                 ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-27 12:52                                                 ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-14 21:05                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-14  8:25                                     ` What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? Pete Ballmer
2014-11-14 12:46                                       ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-15  8:47                                         ` Mart van de Wege
2014-11-16  9:32                                         ` Pete Ballmer
2014-11-16 19:41                                         ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-12 13:31                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-11-12 14:33                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-12 15:07                                     ` David Botton
2014-11-12 16:39                                       ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12 23:06                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-12 23:31                                       ` David Botton
2014-11-13  1:59                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  2:21                                           ` David Botton
2014-11-13 22:01                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-12 22:47                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-12 23:23                                   ` Britt
2014-11-13  2:10                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13  5:13                                       ` Shark8
2014-11-13  9:43                                       ` Gour
2014-11-13 22:06                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-13 23:37                                           ` Gour
2014-11-13 16:51                                     ` Tero Koskinen
2014-11-13  7:46                                   ` George Curioso
2014-11-13 22:14                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-14  8:18                                       ` George Curioso
2014-11-12 10:53                             ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12 11:19                               ` David Botton
2014-11-12  8:16                         ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12  8:06                       ` Simon Wright
2014-11-12  8:26                         ` Hubert
2014-11-12  7:13                     ` Pascal Obry
2014-11-12  7:47                       ` Hubert
2014-11-12  9:08                       ` Thomas Jahrne
2014-11-12 10:19                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-12  9:30                       ` Mark Carroll
2014-11-12 11:05                       ` David Botton
2014-11-12 11:32                         ` Pascal Obry
2014-11-12 12:31                           ` David Botton
2014-11-12 13:17                             ` G.B.
2014-11-12 14:21                               ` David Botton [this message]
2014-11-12 18:31                                 ` john
2014-11-12 18:56                                   ` David Botton
2014-11-12 19:24                                     ` David Botton
2014-11-13  1:48                                   ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-13  7:40                                     ` Harry Bolger
2014-11-13  8:30                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13  8:41                                         ` Harry Bolger
2014-11-13  8:57                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-13 14:30                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-13 19:19                                             ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-13 19:43                                               ` David Botton
2014-11-12  7:38                 ` Simon Wright
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