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From: dan.r.mcleran@seagate.com (Dan McLeran)
Subject: Re: Feasibility of using Ada in new development
Date: 31 Aug 2004 10:11:59 -0700
Date: 2004-08-31T10:11:59-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19b0e504.0408310911.1e885c26@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mKKYc.2888$w%6.409@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net

Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:<mKKYc.2888$w%6.409@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> Dan McLeran wrote:
> 
> > MS .Net and Borland tools and support contracts are not free.
> > From my own research, they don't charge as much as ACT.
> 
> Sure, but you have to consider
> 
> 1. What you get. My experience with ACT support was very positive; with 
> Borland, less so.
> 
> 2. The total cost. ACT only charges for support; MS & Borland also 
> charge for the software.

That's true. If one adds up the cost of the tools and support
together, it's probably a wash.

I guess I was expecting more from the IDE for the money. If ACT is
going to sell support for these tools, they should make them worth
having. An IDE without code completion help? Gimme a break. A GUI
builder that doesn't let you write your event handler code while
you're building your GUI? Again, gimme a break.

IMO, Ada would be a more popular language if programmers were supplied
with great Ada development tools. This is especially true if one wants
to convert programmers from another language over to Ada. Programmers
currently developing code in C/C++ and Java (like me) have a very wide
selection of great tools (both free and commercial). It's hard to
justify moving to a programming language where the tools are much less
capable and harder to use than the ones with which most developers are
accustomed.

Allow me to predict how some of you will reply: "Tools are not as
important as the programming talent and/or language." I agree, up to
the point where the tools can actually hinder productivity.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-31 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-23 18:27 Feasibility of using Ada in new development Robert Law
2004-08-23 19:05 ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-23 19:09 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-24  0:06 ` Florian Weimer
2004-08-24  1:31 ` Stephen Leake
2004-08-24  3:59 ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-24  4:13 ` Steve
2004-08-24 11:09   ` Phong Ho
2004-08-24 11:40     ` Jeff C,
2004-08-24 20:25       ` Robert Law
2004-08-25 21:05         ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-26  2:42           ` John B. Matthews
2004-08-26 11:49           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-26 19:31             ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-26 20:04               ` Simon Wright
2004-08-27 12:47               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-27 21:08                 ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-28  0:28                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-01  4:09                     ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-01  4:07                   ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-01 14:14                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-01 15:30                       ` Ed Falis
2004-09-05 20:50                         ` Florian Weimer
2004-09-05 21:27                           ` Ed Falis
2004-08-26 18:15           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-28 17:57             ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-28 18:37               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-08-30 17:06                 ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-30 18:00                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-30 18:55                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-31 17:11                     ` Dan McLeran [this message]
2004-08-31 17:46                       ` stephane richard
2004-08-31 19:19                         ` Björn Persson
2004-09-01 12:32                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-01 14:35                             ` Björn Persson
2004-09-02 15:18                         ` Dan McLeran
2004-09-02 22:03                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-03 14:56                             ` Dan McLeran
2004-09-03 18:09                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-03 23:42                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-04 15:06                                 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-04 18:31                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-05  8:18                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-07  8:32                                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-07  8:57                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 12:26                                       ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-08 13:07                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-31 18:12                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-08-31 18:14                         ` stephane richard
2004-08-31 20:09                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-02  8:56                             ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-02 16:23                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-03  8:30                                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-09-03 18:04                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-02 15:11                             ` Dan McLeran
2004-09-02 16:17                               ` Code completion Björn Persson
2004-09-02 17:42                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-02 19:29                               ` Feasibility of using Ada in new development Simon Wright
2004-09-03 14:57                                 ` Dan McLeran
2004-08-26  9:52         ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-03  7:14         ` Case Crab
2004-09-03 12:21           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-08-25  1:08     ` Puckdropper
2004-08-25  6:02       ` Adrian Hoe
2004-08-25  8:12         ` Martin Dowie
2004-08-25 12:54         ` Florian Weimer
2004-08-24 23:01 ` Luke A. Guest
2004-08-26 17:17   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-08-31  6:22 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-01  4:04   ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-04 15:38     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-05  8:27       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-05 11:54         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-05 12:18           ` State Threads (was: Feasibility of using Ada in new development) Björn Persson
2004-09-05 13:13             ` State Threads Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-06 13:15               ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06 14:28                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-06 18:24                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07  0:23                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-07  8:13                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07 10:03                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-07 10:08                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-07 15:20                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06 16:23                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-07  8:01                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07  9:16                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-08 12:38                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-08 13:26                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-06 12:19           ` Feasibility of using Ada in new development Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06 17:56         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06 20:52           ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-07  8:40             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07 23:59           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-08  9:10             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-09  1:12               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-09 10:26                 ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-09 21:46                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-06  3:11       ` Adrian Hoe
2004-09-06  8:17         ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-06 12:31         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-06  7:36       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-06 15:32         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-09-07 23:51       ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found] <20040903083525.4DDF94C4137@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-09-03 10:17 ` Andrew Carroll
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2004-09-07  7:27 Robert C. Leif
2004-09-07 12:51 ` Ed Falis
     [not found] <200409070727.i877Rn69015076@mail710.megamailservers.com>
2004-09-08 12:24 ` Stephen Leake
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