From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: What ada 83 compiler is *best*
Date: 1998/12/10
Date: 1998-12-10T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1998Dec10.125713.1@eisner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: EACHUS.98Dec10113707@spectre.mitre.org
In article <EACHUS.98Dec10113707@spectre.mitre.org>, eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) writes:
> In article <1998Dec9.092835.1@eisner> kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) writes:
>
> >> I have yet to find supported Ada95 compilers for:
>
> >> MVS Popular, Currently available
> >> OS400 Popular, Currently available
> >> HP-MPE Currently available
> >> VAX/VMS Popular, Currently available
> >> Macintosh 68K Popular
> >> Alpha NT Currently available
>
> >> Giving Ada95 an answer of "Yes" for question 1 seems
> > dubious to me.
>
> > I do not disagree about the extent to which a lack of compilers
> > affects Ada popularity. I do not disagree that lack of Ada 95 usage
> > affects the availability of compilers. The statement with which I
> > was disagreeing was that Ada95 was available on "all popular and
> > currently available" operating systems. Ada advocacy should be
> > tempered by accuracy so as to distinguish it from the rest of the
> > computer industry. :-)
>
> Short answer--I disagree completely with your characterization of
> any of these products with the possible exception of MVS, as popular
> and currently available. Perhaps the right characterization is "once
> popular, still somewhat available."
I do not know what "somewhat available" means -- I can buy a machine
new from its original manufacturer or I cannot. Only 68K Macintosh
fails that test.
I do not see how you could possibly view OS400 as "non popular".
It is the mainstay of many small businesses, and has some vertical
markets totally locked up due to ISV loyalty to OS400. For that
matter, I do not see how your admit MVS as only a "possible exception".
A pedantic resort to the Latin would say "popular" means "home computer",
but surely that is not what any of us mean in discussing the computer
industry.
> Of course, with the possible exception of OS400, there were several
> validated Ada 83 compilers for every machine on your list.
That is immaterial to my criticism of the statement regarding Ada95
availability. I use Ada83 quite happily, but incorrect advocacy
statements regarding Ada95 availability do Ada no good.
(As a side issue, I would like to know more about the Ada 83 compiler
for HP-MPE.)
> And since I mentioned Alphas, Alpha NT is a very special case.
> There are good Alpha VMS compilers, and there are good x86 NT
> compilers, in many cases versions of the same compiler, so a port
> would be trivial. In fact I believe GNAT actually had such a version
> at one point. Is the lack of demand for that product due to a lack
> of demand for NT on Alpha, or due to a lack of demand for Ada 95?
Again, that is irrelevant to my complaint about incorrect advocacy claims.
Larry Kilgallen
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1998-12-03 0:00 What ada 83 compiler is *best* Rick Thorne
1998-12-03 0:00 ` marc j bejerano
1998-12-03 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-03 0:00 ` Gautier
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` David Gillon
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-09 0:00 ` John McCabe
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-09 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen [this message]
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Marc A. Criley
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Roga Danar
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Roga Danar
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-12-09 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1998-12-10 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1998-12-11 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-12-14 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-09 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-12-04 0:00 ` Ada rotting? (was: What ada 83 compiler is *best*) Roga Danar
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
[not found] ` <366D6BF8.B1F4C1C0@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-07 0:00 ` David Botton
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-09 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1998-12-04 0:00 ` What ada 83 compiler is *best* Matthew Heaney
1998-12-07 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-12-08 0:00 ` Steve O'Neill
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-11-18 0:00 Nobody
1998-11-18 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-11-18 0:00 ` Rick Thorne
1998-11-18 0:00 ` Gautier de Montmollin
1998-11-18 0:00 ` dennison
1998-12-03 0:00 ` Roga Danar
1998-11-18 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1998-11-21 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-11-21 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-11-21 0:00 ` dewarr
1998-11-19 0:00 ` whiter5195
1998-11-23 0:00 ` Charlie McCutcheon
[not found] ` <36534040.F30A5E5B@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1998-11-21 0:00 ` Steve Kerr
1998-11-21 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1998-11-21 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1998-11-22 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
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