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From: jbs@yktvmv.watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Fortran or Ada?
Date: 1998/10/03
Date: 1998-10-03T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19981002.222045.439@yktvmv.watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 36156677.7566@lanl.gov

In article <36156677.7566@lanl.gov>,
 on Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:49:11 -0600,
 William Clodius <wclodius@lanl.gov> writes:
>jbs@yktvmv.watson.ibm.com wrote:
>> <snip>
>>          The report I have says nothing like this.  What report are
>> you referring to?
>>                         James B. Shearer
>
>Robert Eachus's comments are "mostly" inferable from the report. He is
>correct that the report says (in equivalent words) that "the stack was
>destroyed when the engine deflection exceeded the physical stress limits
>of the stack (booster and payload)." He is also correct that this
>implies that the software did not properly check that such an engine
>deflection was safe at that thrust. I suspect that he infers from
>presummed best practices that the software would make such a check, and
>that it failed because the physical parameters were wrong, and that the
>most likely reason that they were wrong was because the Ariane 4
>parameters were used. However, the number of steps used in that
>inference are long and while the individual steps are plausible
>collectively they are less plausible. Further, whether any other system
>malfunction could have caused the software to command that that
>deflection is unknown.

         Actually what the report says is:

!    f) Approx. 0.05 seconds later the active inertial reference system,
!    identical to the back-up system in hardware and software, failed for the
!    same reason. Since the back-up inertial system was already inoperative,
!    correct guidance and attitude information could no longer be obtained and
!    loss of the mission was inevitable.
!
!    g) As a result of its failure, the active inertial reference system
!    transmitted essentially diagnostic information to the launcher's main
!    computer, where it was interpreted as flight data and used for flight
!    control calculations.
!
!    h) On the basis of those calculations the main computer commanded the
!    booster nozzles, and somewhat later the main engine nozzle also, to make a
!    large correction for an attitude deviation that had not occurred.
!
!    i) A rapid change of attitude occurred which caused the launcher to
!    disintegrate at 39 seconds after H0 due to aerodynamic forces.
!
!    j) Destruction was automatically initiated upon disintegration, as
!    designed, at an altitude of 4 km and a distance of 1 km from the launch
!    pad.

         I don't see anything in there about the engine deflection
being unsafe in itself, it just pointed the rocket in the wrong
direction.  Presumedly a less extreme deflection (error) would just
have delayed the accident a few seconds.
                   James B. Shearer




  reply	other threads:[~1998-10-03  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <36068E73.F0398C54@meca.polymtl.ca>
1998-09-22  0:00 ` Fortran or Ada? Gisle S{lensminde
1998-09-22  0:00   ` Jeff Templon
1998-09-22  0:00     ` dewarr
1998-09-23  0:00       ` Jeff Templon
1998-09-23  0:00         ` Corey Minyard
1998-09-24  0:00           ` Joel Seidman
1998-09-24  0:00           ` Craig Burley
1998-09-25  0:00             ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00               ` Jonathan Guthrie
1998-09-26  0:00               ` Craig Burley
1998-09-26  0:00                 ` dewarr
1998-09-26  0:00                   ` Robert B. Love 
1998-09-26  0:00                   ` Craig Burley
1998-09-24  0:00         ` Marc A. Criley
1998-09-24  0:00           ` dewarr
1998-09-24  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-24  0:00               ` William Clodius
1998-09-25  0:00                 ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00               ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-25  0:00                   ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00             ` jbs
1998-09-26  0:00               ` dewarr
1998-09-28  0:00                 ` jbs
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` Dean F. Sutherland
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` William B. Clodius
1998-09-30  0:00                     ` jbs
1998-09-30  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1998-09-30  0:00                       ` dewarr
1998-09-30  0:00                         ` jbs
1998-09-30  0:00                           ` William Clodius
1998-10-03  0:00                       ` Niklas Holsti
1998-10-03  0:00                         ` Toon Moene
1998-10-03  0:00                           ` Niklas Holsti
1998-10-03  0:00                             ` Toon Moene
1998-10-04  0:00                               ` Niklas Holsti
1998-10-05  0:00                                 ` Michel OLAGNON
1998-10-05  0:00                                   ` Ian St. John
1998-10-05  0:00                                     ` Richard D Riehle
1998-10-05  0:00                                       ` dewarr
1998-10-05  0:00                                     ` dewarr
1998-10-05  0:00                                       ` Ian St. John
1998-10-06  0:00                                         ` dewarr
1998-10-06  0:00                                           ` Ian St. John
1998-10-08  0:00                                             ` Gary L. Scott
1998-10-08  0:00                                             ` Offtopic Airport Diversion (Was: Fortran or Ada?) Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **
1998-10-08  0:00                                               ` Ian St. John
1998-10-06  0:00                                           ` Fortran or Ada? Toon Moene
1998-10-06  0:00                                             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1998-10-06  0:00                                           ` James Giles
1998-10-06  0:00                                             ` Mark A Biggar
1998-10-06  0:00                                               ` James Giles
1998-10-07  0:00                                                 ` dewarr
1998-10-07  0:00                                             ` dewarr
1998-10-06  0:00                                     ` Michel OLAGNON
1998-10-07  0:00                                       ` Ian St. John
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` Dean F. Sutherland
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` Dean F. Sutherland
1998-10-02  0:00                   ` Geoff Bull
1998-10-02  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-02  0:00                     ` jbs
1998-10-02  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1998-10-03  0:00                         ` jbs [this message]
1998-10-03  0:00                           ` Larry Elmore
1998-10-06  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-06  0:00                             ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-24  0:00           ` Jeff Templon
1998-09-25  0:00             ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00             ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-09-30  0:00               ` Daniel Barker
1998-09-30  0:00                 ` Lawrence Kirby
1998-10-01  0:00                   ` Aaron Crane
1998-10-02  0:00                 ` Fortran or Ada or gobbledygook? Wes Groleau
1998-10-05  0:00                 ` Fortran or Ada? Terry Devine
     [not found]           ` <6udre0$ha1$1@nnrp1.dejane <6utg60$h6l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
1998-10-01  0:00             ` robin_v
1998-09-22  0:00     ` Corey Minyard
1998-09-22  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-09-22  0:00     ` Rakesh Malhotra
1998-09-23  0:00     ` Frank Ecke
1998-09-23  0:00   ` bglbv
1998-09-23  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-24  0:00       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-23  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1998-09-23  0:00 ` Gisle S{lensminde
1998-09-24  0:00   ` John McCabe
1998-09-24  0:00     ` Dean F. Sutherland
1998-09-24  0:00     ` Gisle S{lensminde
1998-09-24  0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-09-23  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1998-09-24  0:00 Walt Brainerd
1998-09-25  0:00 ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-05  0:00 Condic, Marin D.
1998-10-05  0:00 robin
1998-10-05  0:00 Robert I. Eachus
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