From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: Can Ada by popularized faster ?
Date: 1997/10/25
Date: 1997-10-25T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1997Oct25.170004.1@eisner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3451A98F.B3DFF971@sd.aonix.com
In article <3451A98F.B3DFF971@sd.aonix.com>, Dave Wood <dpw@sd.aonix.com> writes:
> William A Whitaker wrote:
>>
>> Somewhere on this thread someone suggested that Ada needed a "killer
>> application" and that an operating system would be a case in point (like
>> C -> UNIX).
>
> This seems easy to counter-argue. Here are a couple
> of examples:
> 3. VMS was written in (I think) BLISS. VAX/VMS was
> quite dominant for a time. Who the hell has ever
> heard of or cared about BLISS on any significant
> level?
VMS was about 50 % in VAX Macro assembler language (good for
what it does but hardly useful on another system) with the
rest in Bliss. There are a few further lessons, though --
initially DEC would not sell a Bliss compiler to customers
with support at all -- you got one unsupported and "free"
with your $25,000 purchase of a source code license for VMS.
If you wrote some software of your own and it did not compile,
tough.
Subsequently DEC had a fairly uniform price for all their
compilers, and they offered Bliss at twice that price !!!
A couple of years ago DEC decided to withdraw the product
and now Bliss is available for VAX VMS and Alpha VMS on the
Freeware Disc.
Much as I hate to admit it, Dave, this does point out the
need for wise Product Management :-)
> Ada will never be C because, well, Ada is not C.
> It shares C's power and utility, but not its
> essential bithead/ hacker characteristics. On
> the other hand, Ada's essential characteristics
> can provide a competitive edge to the brave and
> wise minority who choose to use it.
>
> I don't think that's such a bad thing.
I don't think it would be a bad idea if careful design
capabilities were a majority interest. But meanwhile
please spread your own product to Windows NT Alpha :-)
> -- Dave Wood
> -- Product Manager, ObjectAda for Windows
Larry Kilgallen
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Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1997-10-16 0:00 Can Ada by popularized faster ? William A Whitaker
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Dave Wood
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-10-30 0:00 ` TConiam
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen [this message]
1997-10-26 0:00 ` John Black
1997-10-27 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
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1997-10-13 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Paul H. Whittington
1997-10-13 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-10-13 0:00 Peter Hermann
1997-10-13 0:00 ` the_walrus
1997-10-09 0:00 safetran
1997-10-10 0:00 ` Dave Wood
1997-10-10 0:00 ` No Spam
1997-10-10 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1997-10-10 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-12 0:00 ` Steve Doiel
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Andrzej Lewandowski
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